FansToys FT-44 Thomas (MP Astrotrain)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by eVac Z, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. Decepticon13

    Decepticon13 Well-Known Member

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    Margin Formula
    The formula for calculating retail margin is the sales price of an item minus COGS, divided by the sales price, multiplied by 100. If you sell an item at $20 and paid $10 to acquire it and sell it, your retail margin is $10 divided by $20, or 50 percent. Retail products have variable margins, even within the same store or department.

    Markup to Margin
    A key factor that influences the margins on retail products is the markup percentage the retailer applies to particular goods. Calculating markup is essentially the inverse of calculating retail margin. You subtract your COGS from your desired sales price in the same way, but then divide that amount by your COGS. If your target price is $20 and your COGS are $10, your markup is $10 divided by $10, or 100 percent. Thus, to achieve a 50 percent margin on an item that costs you $10, you need a 100 percent markup.
     
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  2. Knightdramon

    Knightdramon Hasbro LIES to the US

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    Lots of muddled up economics etc. BSF took what the FT rep said was the retail price and christened it wholesale--this throws all his calculations off. He's also wilfully ignoring that none of the FT Dinobots actually cost 200 USD [reissue prices at 179 USD, original retail prior to reissues was lower IIRC] and the fact that from all the pics so far it's confirmed that Astrotrain won't be around their height, he'll be shorter than Sovereign who's shorter than them.

    Despite these mental gymnastics, the video did have some good points on how there's possibly less releases per figure to accommodate more releases of unique figures per year. There's also the good point that instead of trying to put the blame on retailers jacking up the price, FT could just come out and say look folks, this figure has a higher parts count than most other figures [looking at the photos, definitely the case] so the price per unit is higher.

    People also can't start comparing FT Berserk's preorders from what, 4 years ago to current prices. Production costs are bound to be much higher nowadays and the entire figure has been redesigned. Any retailer can very easily [and will] turn around and say we've received a new solicitation for the figure, here's the new price. Do people expect the new FT Soundwave figure to cost around 100 or so USD as it would have cost if it came out around the same time as Quakewave?
     
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  3. Swoop Dogg

    Swoop Dogg Hi Yukio!

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    A freaking MEN!
     
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  4. Decepticon13

    Decepticon13 Well-Known Member

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    After Scoria, the dinobots were $185-$210 shipped even at Asian sellers on first release for me. Some dropped after release like Sever though. Reissue Grinder was $185 for me from Asian vendor for me.

    First release Quakewave was $160 shipped from Asian sellers. I remember that one well as I'd never paid that much for a figure before, lol.

    But yeah- he makes good points whether his math is perfect or not. I mostly agree with his position on this situation. Too many customers expect sellers to sell at ultra low mark ups which means they'd have to sell at HUGE volume. Sellers of niche items can't use the huge volume/low markup formula to make $. That's how Walmart works, not low volume toys/collectables.
     
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  5. betsuni

    betsuni I'm just here for the robots

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    Well Baba did me a solid and refunded me the deposit. Like the others, I just replied to his email.
     
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  6. Hoffman

    Hoffman Well-Known Member

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    BSF posts a diatribe with incorrect information? Unheard of!
     
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  7. Shanxs

    Shanxs Open your eyes. Can't you see?

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    Showz still has mine as po, and haven't removed it.
    Let's wait and see what happens.
     
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  8. Mick h

    Mick h Fiery red head tfer

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    preordered mine from tfs express on deposit, seeing as it may be sold out soon. They say they will have restock/reissue if it does indeed sell out just now on their fb.
     
  9. edgecrusher

    edgecrusher Pepperidge Farm remembers TFW2005 Supporter

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    The price NA retailers pay for Thomas is not too far off from that price. It tends to be on the higher side of it, not the lower side though because freight charges may be included in the wholesale price.
    Buying direct from FT, the "wholesale" price is pretty close to the number that was given as the retail price in China. That is why JJ used that number in the context of his ignorance of the cost of running a business in North America, which is to say his feigned surprise that they would charge $80 more for the product here. The implication in his comment is that he's charging them pretty close to that price for the figure.
    From a consumer perspective, this is a fine way to calculate it.
    His information on this one is pretty good. He did make some calculation mistakes, like around the 07:30 mark where he applied the shipping increase to Berserk which is the older figure and wouldn't have been impacted by that, but his overall point is correct and I appreciate him recognizing that the biggest portion of the price change is due to FT's wholesale price going up, not this smoke and mirrors about freight increases which is not the lion's share of the increase. And, like him, I have no problem with it because it's the cost of doing business and there is no "right" to purchase everything I might want, contrary to the thinking of some in the entitlement generation that believe that just because a product exists, they should be able to have it, and if it's too expensive for them, then it must be #becausegreed.
     
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  10. joelones

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    For this price, can FT package leg screws of varying lengths and thickness please?
     
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  11. RKillian

    RKillian http://www.rktoyandhobby.com

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    Aftermarket also plays a part here. They see what this stuff goes for after it sells out. Aftermarket isn't even really aftermarket these days anyway. It's not so much secondhand and overstock as it is speculation and stock held back due to the herd's lust for unobtanium.

    Plus distributors are such a bad deal that anybody looking to start selling by sourcing through them should quit until they have a better plan. When it came to imports, I got better prices through Japanese retail than any "distributor." 3rd party channels were a tough nut to crack though, but up until shipping went berserk and killed their free shipping I would've assumed Chinese retail was a better route than a "distributor."
     
  12. Iron dibot

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    Oh how I like the way you think good sir. Right there with you. I preordered him as soon as I had the chance and I have no regrets whatsoever.
     
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  13. malware5

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    You'd think most of the people complaining about the price of this figure don't own MP-44?

    :lol 
     
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  14. smkspy

    smkspy Remember true fans

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    I did the same. Canceled my order baba, I just can't risk the possibility of those shipping costs, which might be even higher in the future for all I know.
     
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    Pretty happy with my IT OP... and I kept the trailer from MP-10 and sold off the bot.
     
  16. f0cus

    f0cus You can call me Sir

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    Still hovering on the Pre-order button...
     
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    Same here. Except I pre-ordered on eBay, he noticed and refunded me my website deposit.

    My rationale for all this is, Thomas will be likely awesome. He may get reissued. Even if he does, it’s probably only once and after that his value goes up.

    Heck, Hoodlum was a hot mess and his value is still increasing.
     
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  18. malware5

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    I said 'most'!
     
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    The word you are looking for is investment.
     
  20. Shanxs

    Shanxs Open your eyes. Can't you see?

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    Yep, i'm investing in FT figures now.
    That's why i have my second Malverick today.
    Got him for 170 usd, which is the normal price.
    He can go 200 easy this year.
    Maybe 250 next year already.
    Waiting for my money hurts more then waiting for packages. :D