FansToys FT-40 (Masterpiece Fortress Maximus)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by corduroy, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. AwesomenessPrime

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    Hey guys, I've got a feeling the blue horns and the actual face of the big head mode are going to be partsforming pieces.
     
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    The head costs close to $250. Ppl saying 1500 are being optimistic. You might get half your bot for that.

    With FT's current work load we'll be lucky to start seeing this at 2023 at the earliest and their prices have already skyrocketed (look at the original price of Weirdwolf compared to Cerebros for example) in the last 2 to 3 years, who knows what they could potentially be for 'normal' bots by that time, let alone a 4ft monster.

    I'm here to watch. Its gonna be interesting but eye-watering for those dipping into their pockets.
     
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  3. Lex79

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    To put things in perspective, the original price of Omega Supreme was around $450, for a 55cm tall bot at a time when they were charging less than $150 for headmasters and triple changes.
    The two feet tall Yolopark Optimus Prime costs more than $2000. Granted, that figure has crazy engineering, but I wouldn't be shocked if FT decides to charge a similar amount just for the sheer size of this thing.
     
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  4. Little Dutch

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    Oh, I have no illusions whatsoever that he will be anything less than $1000,- just for the body. I am just saying, if he does end up being $650,-, I am not going to say no. :D 
     
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    Gotta remember your square-cube law. This is over twice as tall as Terminus Giganticus, which means it's gotta be in the ballpark of 8x as massive.

    This is again where I become completely incredulous at this project. This wants to be twice the height of HasLab Unicron. That toy was 16 lbs. They're really gonna make a toy ~8x that size? ~128 lbs? That's absolutely flat-out ridiculous. Even shaving off a good chunk of weight because Fort Max is mostly hollow boxes instead of stacked/layered kibble (But then add a chunk because FT gonna FT and add unnecessary amounts of diecast), it's still an incredibly dubious prospect.

    I'm not even sure conventional joint construction even works with a figure that size/weight. I mean, if you've got a disk ratchet strong enough to withstand the sag of a 15lb+ limb (and remember, that's a torque calculation, so it's not just the weight of the limb itself, but multiplied by a ratio based on the ~2' length of the limb), is that joint even possible to manipulate by hand without giving yourself a hernia?
     
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    I was thinking the same initially. But I’m hoping that those parts fold into the legs of the robot mode. I think this thing looks fantastic. But for what will be a rather expensive head, I have my fingers crossed that there is no parts forming.
    Given they managed what they did with Roadking, I’d hope they wouldn’t resort to parts forming :) 
     
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    I already notified a friend that when I receive my Fort Max, she needs to come over and help transform him. I imagine this will be like trying to wrestle a stubborn Saint Bernard down.
     
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    Honestly, I don't think it'll cost any less than double that!
     
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    Nah FT are too good for partsforming those parts!

    The face is covered by the front of the helmet that makes his backpack. You can see the chin poking out the top of the backpack on the rear view.

    The blue horns swivel round and fold inside the lower legs.
     
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    $2500. That’s my bet.
     
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    Yeah, they should use some kind of fix and release button in major joints or a similar kind of trick. I don't know... If they don't use rotocast plastic, making it a big shampoo bottle, the guy will crumble by itself. Standard plastic can't hold that size. Wood, on the other hand...

    Anyway, it will be really interesting to watch the development of this guy.
     
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    I remember the designer of Haslab Unicron saying that the initial design was for a 1 meter tall robot, but he had to scale it down to the current size to make it feasible. I'm not 100% sure if it was entirely due to engineering limitations or there were other constraints (like price or safety regulations) that Fanstoys might be able to ignore, but seeing if and how this thing will be made is going to be interesting. One thing I know for sure is that I already have figures whose joints are so stiff I have to manipulate them with two hands. I don't want to think how much strenght will be required to move the hips of this thing.
     
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    FANSTOYS FORT MAX MUST BE BOUGHT NO MATTER THE COST!!!

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    People are making a lot of assumptions about engineering and construction based on other transformers and action figures.

    There's nothing to suggest that this will be made using those same techniques. These factories make all sorts of household goods, and surely can engineer this to work. It's not like 4' tall things don't exist.

    All these 8x the mass calculations make an assumption that it will use the same materials and construction as those other figures. I expect this will be mostly hollow boxes, which would reduce the weight significantly. There's absolutely no way the limbs will be solid. Not only would it be an engineering nightmare, it would be pointless to use all that extra material for no reason.
     
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    ToyDojo still has preorders up for The Head. I kinda like this 25 deposit idea. (I caved)
     
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    If it ain't solid, it ain't gettin the wallet.

    It puts the diecast on its shins or it gets forgotten again.
     
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    If this truly exists and I end up buying it, I’ll clear off most of that table and he’ll stay in city mode in the middle of my room

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    4' multi-jointed, articulated (and inanimate) things don't exist. Not with any degree of regularity. Think of the things that you interact with daily that are 4' tall. Mostly furniture, with wide bases for stability. Taller things with narrow bases you actually want to start anchoring to the wall because they become safety hazards if they fall over.

    Reducing weight also results in reducing solidity. A 2" square of sheet ABS might seem pretty solid and sturdy. Scale it up to 10" square, and you start noticing it go all floppy-floppy like a sheet of cardboard.

    Unicron was as hollow as he could be, but all his plates still needed at least 1/4" of waffle reinforcement to prevent them from snapping. And we got a 16lb toy as a result.

    Toys that have been this height historically ("My Size" dolls, most frequently) are usually thin rotocast plastic. You absolutely cannot work with that manufacturing method and obtain the level of detail that FT would like to achieve. We're talking giant shampoo bottle here. And you can't install joints in it worth a crap either.

    It's just pure physics.

    No, the toy won't/shouldn't end up as 126lbs, per my earlier napkin math. But I wouldn't expect any less than ~50-60 lbs, and that's still a tall order for the stresses and strains expected on a mostly plastic toy. And it'll be an absolute bear to handle all the same. Unicron's weight and ratchet resistance already makes transforming him a tiring experience, because again, you have to account for torque as well. His weight and ratchet resistance is being applied to your at least partially outstretched arms, which is a force multiplier.



    For perhaps another comparison, how about the 1.5m Gundam that Bandai made (usually seen more as a store display piece than household consumer good): For $3,400: Bandai to sell 1.5m tall Gundam figure – TechCrunch

    25% taller than Fort Max is being aimed for, but if you've ever seen the process of putting these things together, they're as hollow as can be. Still 35kg (56lbs), and has extremely basic articulation, and of course none of the internal structure that would be necessary for transformation.

    Also, ~$3400 when they were released to the public ~10 years ago... (of course, very low production)
     
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  20. Zentropy

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    Carbon fiber is obviously the solution. It might also justify the predicted price.
     
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