F*#!'ing Ticket!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Doctor Ingenious, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. smkspy

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    Since we don't know the context of how he used fuck in his memo its very had to judge whether what he said is consider free speech. Just a 'Fuck You' isn't enough I believe, but certainly there are many comments where it could be inserted legally.
     
  2. Bryan

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    Your examples aren't really solid, though.

    The FCC can censor broadcasts because the airwaves are owned by the public, so information transmitted over them is subject to governmental regulation. That's why premium networks can feature whatever language they want. See Deadwood, for example. I guarantee any given episode of that features far worse language than anything the guy wrote on the check.

    Schools are also governmental property, and the rights of students in schools are therefore limited. See, for example, the 2nd and 4th amendments. Like the 1st, these are curtailed in the name of ensuring a quality education for the public. The greater good, as it were.

    And being an ass in public might not score you points--but I'm still not clear on how isn't free speech.
     
  3. Prisoner1138

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    Yea, there's a lot of comments where it would be fine, but there's also a lot where it wouldn't. And that's probably why the judge ruled it that way and it went that far.

    And something else about the bank, it's highly unlikely they'd do it, but wouldn't it be a hell of a thing to get turned down for a loan for something because they didn't like your disregard for authority when paying off a $5 ticket and don't want to put up with you when you need to make a payment?

    It'd be kinda like cussing out the pizza guy because he showed up 5 minutes late, then wondering next time why there's a wad of phlegm in the middle of your pizza.
     
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    Writing a check is not public, unless you for some reason leave it in the street. It privately passes hands between the receiver, someone else in the accounting department, goes to a bank clerk, gets filed by another bank clerk, these days scanned by someone else so they have a copy of it, and so on. Your rights, including free speech aren't allowed to impose on others, and if they don't want to see your profanity, they don't have to.

    And yes, we know how the FCC can regulate airwaves, but do you know WHY the FCC regulates airwaves? It has nothing to do with it being public.(and premium networks aren't broadcast, they're over satellite or a wire, which is why they're exempt). It's so people flipping through those stations don't have to hear obscenities if they don't want to. When the FCC was established, you didn't have 500 cable channels that 9 out of 10 people subscribed to. Same with radio.

    And things like disorderly conduct laws are constitutional and in place for the sake of protecting people from someone else's bullshit. It's the same reason I can't have a projector in front of my house playing porn on a 30 inch screen all night, the same reason I can't expect not to be in some sort of trouble if I just walk past a cop and whisper "fuck you" in his ear, etc.

    Freedom of speech is not about the ability to say exactly whatever you want, whenever you want. That would be twisting the context of something pretty obvious to try and shoehorn it so it applies to something it was very clearly not intended for.

    Let me put it this way: Do you really think the people who wrote the constitution and bill of rights added that, just so you have the right to cuss anybody out whenever you want?
     
  5. Insane Galvatron

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    I'd have just laughed. If I had the job of opening envelopes that I knew were payment for tickets, I'd have gotten a good chuckle out of the memo. Obviously people do not like getting tickets. I'd have just seen it as frustration venting. Really, who would take that serious? It's not like the guy knew the clerk and addressed it to her. That would be like walking by some vulgar graffiti and taking it personal.
     
  6. Bryan

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    I'm not sure you have a solid understanding of the finer points of constitutional law. Yeah, there are limits far as profanity goes. But I do have the right to 'impose' on others with my free speech. That's...well, that's the whole point of free speech. Other people don't get to stop me by claiming I'm 'imposing' on them.
    It has everything to do with them being public. The FCC can only protect those "flipping people" in the public arena--it has no jurisdiction over private transmission. And yeah, premium networks are over a satellite or wire--so they're private. Same with radio--broadcast is public, and thus, subject to regulation. Satellite is private, and thus, not.
     
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    Your right to have whatever opinion or whatever you want, doesn't mean you can verbally express it however you want. That was my point. I have the right to play porn in my house, I don't have the right to move the tv to the sidewalk and do it. Profanity does not fall within expressing yourself within reason, nor does it even count as being a view you're opposed to depending on what was written or said.