Dumb transformers questions

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Smokeyoreo18, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Rapidfirestormer

    Rapidfirestormer Not Even Remotely Dorky

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2020
    Posts:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Likes:
    +3,412
    So they'd become a combination of the Swarm and Unicron.

    The Oracle is probably kicking itself right now.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Robomaster726

    Robomaster726 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2021
    Posts:
    177
    Trophy Points:
    87
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Likes:
    +354
    :lol 
     
  3. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    Why were Star Saber and Elita-One done so dirty in IDW1? Just knowing that one is a religious fanatic while the other was basically made a foil for Windblade doesn't make me want to touch those comics with a ten foot pole.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Zentropy

    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2019
    Posts:
    3,227
    Trophy Points:
    212
    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Likes:
    +6,050
    How were they “done dirty”? Just a different take on the characters, isn’t it? Better than re-hashing the same old thing, IMO.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  5. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    I agree some characters can use fresh new takes, but that's something I would rather do A-listers and B-listers, particularly characters that have remained stagnant throughout the years - Armada Starscream really is the perfect example of how to reinvent a character in a compelling way. On the other hand, Elita-One and Star Saber didn't get to make as many appearances (well, outside of Japanese media, in the case of SS), so maybe their fans didn't particularly want those obscure characters to return as villains but to find what they loved about them. Also remember that there are takes that just won't sit well with everybody - just look at Bay Optimus.
     
  6. Nova Maximus

    Nova Maximus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2020
    Posts:
    6,709
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    227
    Location:
    Mississauga, Canada
    Likes:
    +29,241
    Last I've seen no one really had an issue with IDW Elita, but more with the fact TAAO was cancelled before the rest of her story could be properly told.

    And Star Saber has the same issues as Bayverse Prime, a potentially interesting new take that is ruined by not going anywhere and not being treated as a drastic change of the character that the story itself would address how he got to that point or how he would get away from it.
    And there's also the fact he only appeared in like 5 issues with a page-time of less than 1 and then just died.
     
  7. Max Rawhide

    Max Rawhide Rollin' Rollin' Rollin' ... uh, never mind

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2012
    Posts:
    6,219
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +4,664
    With Star Saber, I've come to understand that his was based on how his toy was handled in the UK fanfics.

    After the Marvel US comics ended the UK continued on a bit, but then also stopped. In the UK there was a very dedicated fanbase of the UK comics that kept the flame alive and wrote their own TF stories. (Roberts was one of these and he wrote the excellent Eugenesis.) These UK fans knew that there were TF toys in Japan, but they didn't know anything about them. Only their names and what they looked like. Not the character Takara had created for them nor their depiction in the cartoon. Just the name and the look. And so they filled in the blanks, made them new characters.

    And apparently in those UK fanfic they characterised Star Saber as a sort of bad guy. Roberts built on this for IDW1.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  8. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    That's pretty interesting. All of a sudden, Star Saber being evil doesn't sound so random.
     
  9. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    Has Hasbro or other producers ever uploaded full scripts from some of their series? I recall one blogger had uploaded a copy of TFTM's first draft, but I haven't found any working link.

    (I would have made a thread for that on the Series forum, but I figured people have seen enough of my face as it is)
     
  10. Leolim

    Leolim Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2020
    Posts:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    162
    Likes:
    +744
    Is rescue bots the Heart and soul of the aligned series?
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    I think I stopped watching around the start of season 4, but I remember that it remained consistently good, unlike Prime. RID wasn't that much to write home about either. So I'd say definitely.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    2,427
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +4,298
    They have been a few places where scripts have been posted, like this one:

    Sunbow and Marvel Productions Script/Storyboard Archive: MP 700 The Transformers, Part 1 1984 - 1985 (Sunbow Productions/Marvel Productions)

    Sunbow and Marvel Productions Script/Storyboard Archive: MP 4034 The Transformers The Movie (Sunbow Productions/Marvel Productions)

    Sunbow and Marvel Productions Script/Storyboard Archive: MP 700 The Transformers, Part 2 1986 - 1987 (Sunbow Productions/Marvel Productions)

    A lot of the scripts are in "Sunbow format" (at least that's what Flint Dille called it in one of the featurettes in the Shout Factory releases of either G.I. Joe or Transformers) and they tend to be longer than scripts of some 90's animated shows that I've read.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  13. Heavy Unit

    Heavy Unit Decepticlone

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2020
    Posts:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Amazon
    Likes:
    +992
    Thanks! It would be interesting to compare them to scripts from more recent shows to see how much screenwriting has changed over time!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. CyberstormSM

    CyberstormSM Turbo-Revvin' Young Punk

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Posts:
    3,984
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +10,838
    Narratively, what's the purpose of Hot Rod intervening in Optimus' and Megatron's battle? Like, why does that need to be there? It doesn't really inform his characterization (if it's supposed to tell us that he's reckless, we already know that and it kind of put the character in a bad spot for some of the audience.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. Preach Starscream

    Preach Starscream Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2020
    Posts:
    1,926
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Likes:
    +10,823
    Narratively, it gives Optimus an out for why he gets killed. He didn't want to hit Hot Rod. Megatron didn't kill him fair and square. The ultimate good guy lost because he'd rather risk his own life than risk accidentally shooting someone else.

    Thematically, I do think they dropped the ball on this. I would've liked to have seen Rodimus have more guilt about his part in Prime's death. His character is often marked too much by his lack of confidence or doubt in his leadership abilities, but I feel he should've been more defined by his guilt.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  16. Primeultra

    Primeultra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2017
    Posts:
    6,265
    Trophy Points:
    242
    Likes:
    +4,295
    I’m really surprised if any questions to this

    It’s there to give the character A sense of guilt over his actions and a sense of responsibility

    I mean it’s really no different than what they did with Spider-Man and uncle Ben or Batman and his parents…….
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. CyberstormSM

    CyberstormSM Turbo-Revvin' Young Punk

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Posts:
    3,984
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +10,838
    But that doesn't happen? As @Preach Starscream pointed out, Rodimus' doubts are about his leadership ability and living up to Optimus' legacy, not that his actions potentially got Optimus killed. He doesn't express guilt for that at all aside from saying "forgive me."
     
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Primeultra

    Primeultra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2017
    Posts:
    6,265
    Trophy Points:
    242
    Likes:
    +4,295
    Well I’ve pointed out before there’s a disconnect between season three and the film. Most people forget that season three was being produced at the same time as the film was

    So they were working very likely from the same script we see in the marvel comics adaptation in which we’re hot rod was not involved in the fight at all

    But I would argue the guilt is there for duration of the film. I feel it was a prime motivation for the character as we saw him strive to improve and do better till the end of the film
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. NeilJam

    NeilJam Resident Audiophile

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2005
    Posts:
    2,683
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +1,453

    Despite the rash decision, I think Hot Rod's actions are also intended to exemplify his bravery and willingness to take on Megatron himself in order to help a fellow Autobot.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  20. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    2,427
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +4,298
    Again, the draft scripts develop this aspect better (there is a brief moment with Kup and Arcee trying to comfort Hot Rod as well as other neat character moments), whereas in the movie, the lack of development combined with the rather stilted voice performance (yes, this shows I'm not a fan of the celebrity casting choices in the 86 movie, either because I either find them miscast or I found their performances lacking) really doesn't do Hot Rod any favors.
     
    • Like Like x 1