I am sure most of you if not all of you have watched dragon ball z or have at least heard of it. If you have watched the show or still do i want to see if yu guys could answer this question this is a comparison in strength with a few characters. Would you guys say frieza at 100% maximum stronger than the androids 19 and 20. I know androids 17,18,16, and cell are all stronger than frieza idk about 19 and 20. When trunks came back in time to warn everyone about the androids i meant androids 17 and 18 not 19 and 20 i want to know peoples opinion on this and i think it is a debatable topic. Ill even put up a poll and i add proof to your answer to why u may think one is stronger.
19 & 20. I think this topic should be in the movies and tv forum. Movies and Television - TFW2005 - The 2005 Boards
Every villain is superduper-more-powerful-unbelievable-over-9000 stronger than the villain of the story arc before them. It's a common trope in boys battle manga/anime, and DBZ is rife with such tropes. Also Trunks murders Frieza in seconds, but is terrified of the androids and cell. Ergo, they must be stronger.
Yes but trunks was terrified of androids 17,18 and cell no doubt they are stronger but androids 19 and 20 was never before seen and were not as strong as they were predicted to be. Thats why i was asking this question.
It's a standard power escalation. By the time 19 & 20 turn up the characters have all powered up to 100% Freeza's level or more. So they must have been as powerful or stronger to have been any challenge. Otherwise they'd have been one-shotted like Trucks took out Mecha-Freeza.
Yes well this is how i see it. for one i do not think any human in the show krillin,yamcha,chiatzou,tien was ever as powerful as frieza and i do not know go by their power levels for example freezas 100% power level being 120,000,000 to me is just bull crap. i know that of course gokumfuture trunks,vegeta,piccolo,and gohan all eventally surpassed him i don't think the characters in base form was up to friezas 100% power in the buu saga goku vegeta,gohan and the rest most likely surpassed his full power with out transforming. Now goku and future trunks took out frieza as a super siyan easily but 3 years later. Android 20 and 19 did not cover gokus fighing on planet namek so they missed out a big chapter and had no idea of a super saiyan and when goku transformed into a super saiyan androids 19 and 20 were surprised but not that impressed by it and dr gero was also confident that android 19 could beat him. Ssj goku was no where near full power but was all over 19 but piccolo even said his attacks are not even hurting the android. and 19 got a power boost when goku gave him the kamahameha and gokus ssj power rapidly got weaker. ssj vegeta came in and definatley hurted android 19 and destroyed him and fter wards dr gero even said he was far superior to that of the android 19 model. Piccolo later than fought android 20 and krillin said piccolo has really improved and he is not even a super siayn so if he is not even a super saiyan so he is not as strong as super saiyan goku on namek and that is a huge jump from piccolo not being able to handle 3rd form frieza to being stronger than ssj goku on namek in 4 years despite the hard 3 years of training. So if piccolo was not as strong as ssj goku was on namek and was all over dr gero who is far superior to that of the 19 model and freiza fought almost dead even on the fight with ssj goku on namek at 100% then those two androids had to have been weaker. so there is proof that frieza 100% might be stronger than 19 and 20 and there is proof that androids 19 and 20 were stronger than 100% frieza. so which is it.
ok but i am thinking well spopovitch and yamu two of babidis minions were i doubt as strong as frieza babidi i doubt was strong as frieza. Lets take Perfect cell for example not mentioning majin buu look at babidi and all his men yakon,pui pui, spopvitch and yamu, dabura were never as strong as cell ever was including how strong cell was once he blew himself up and came back none of them were stronger than cell i doubt only each incarnation majin buu were stronger than cell. Garlic junior and all his men were not stronger than frieza i believe.
Seriously, if Perfect Cell were to meet Frieza when they both were alive, the fight would be over in a short period of time. Cell would tear him a new one. But on topic, yes 19 & 20 are much stronger.
i just find it some what difficult to believe that a crazy old man that turned himself into an android and a fat funny looking robot was more powerful than a galactic tyrant.
I think that one of my problems with Dragonball Z and why I preferred the original Dragonball over it. In the original series, Goku had to use skills, balance & wit to defeat his villains who were stronger then him. The only battles I think even come close to those fights were the Raditz & Ginyu fights, the rest basically went to a battle of who had the stronger energy balls & Power Levels. Also why did they get rid of Launch she was one of my favorite characters? Why did they retcon the Piccolo origin and how do you explain why all of the other King Piccolo children look so different. Why did none of the bad guys just use the gateway to hell seen in the Fortuneteller Baba Saga? Why does Oolong never transform? WHY! Yeah If haven't noticed, I don't like Dragonball Z and really like the Original (Japanese version anyway, never seen the dub).
Yea true gretnablue a good show nonetheless i did not start believing that androids 19 and 20 were stronger than frieza until recently i always thought they were weaker than him when trunks came to the present he warned goku of the androids 17 and 18 not 19 and 20 and if 19 and 20 are stronger than frieza i dont think it is by a lot though.
I'm saying 100% Frieza. Super Saiyan Goku's fight with 100% Frieza was a hard one, if I remember correctly. Super Saiyan Vegeta wiped the floor with the fat android.
Try watching the dub of Kai. It's definitely a better experience than the one for the original Z. As for 19 and 20, remember that Gero examined the fight of Goku with Vegeta (Kaioken and Oozaru included). From there on he would have made the necessary calculations required for the Androids to be superior in power. Also, there was the case where Frieza came back to earth where Gero's computer would have had data on how powerful Frieza would have been at the time. Even though it was simply the computer working on Cell, Gero could still have been informed of the data and made the necessary adjustments to himself and the other androids as to not be overpowered by the Z fighters. In the end though, it all comes down to the typical shonen trope of "next villain s stronger than the last". Also, I'd suggest further discussion be held in the main topic - http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/movies-television/485815-anybody-into-dragon-ball-z.html
true inikalord but i am slowly being persuaded that 100% frieza might be weaker than androids 19 and 20 maybe but not by alot though
the androids. but Frieza was a better villain. Cell was alright. But in my opinion The Frieza Saga, was the best.
Oh good yes. I love Frieza. he showed us all that being a genocidal warlord doesn't mean you need to be that masculine.
