DOTM Sentinel / Optimus meeting

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  1. Wheeljack30

    Wheeljack30 Banned

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    I was watching DOTM the other day, I saw the meeting with Optimus Prime and Sentinel Prime before Optimus Prime was about to give The Matrix to Sentinel in order for Sentinel to lead them once more. But I have a question regarding that, did Sentinel Prime refuse The Matrix because of his plan with Megatron? or was it because he was unfamiliar with Earth? I mean Sentinel could of helped Optimus Prime and the Autobots end the war.
     
  2. electronic456

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    I'm assumsing Sentinel was unfamiliar cause he was in a statis lock for many years on the moon.

    The Matrix only had little to do why Sentinel refused it, cause all the Decepticons were planning for Optimus to use it as part of their plan. After reivivng Sentinel, I have no idea what else the Matrix can do as part of the Decepticon's plan to rebuild Cybertron.
     
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    Reason number 1 i think, cause its possible that Sentinel already knew that he was no longer worthy of it
     
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    In terms of the film it was simply there because of the comics/books.

    I have not read the comics or books however i believe it was meant to be that Sentinel was more close to Optimus in the books and Optimus wanted Sentinel to take charge and the Matrix was a form of symbolism of 'passing the torch' Sentinel rejected it out of guilt due to his only desire being to save Cybertron and already knowing that he did not deserve it.
     
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    I believe Scorpio is correct; the guilt over the upcoming betrayal against his beloved student, as well as resignation over what he must do in the upcoming days, made him feel that he was unwrothy to possess the artifact. He felt it would be better in the hands of his protege, perhaps comforting himself that while he has allied with Megatron, Optimus has grown into a worthy holder of the Matrix.
     
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    There are a few therorized reasons. Most of them however only make sense of you view Sentinel as an unrepetant villain, who was either fooling others or fooling himself with his talk of the needs of the many, and only wanted to rule over others again. Which I can't really refute considering his willingness to kill the already few in number Cybertronians left and right, and his final lines about how there only needed to be one to rule over humanity like a god.

    Anyway

    1. He feared the Matrix might reject him due to his new UnPrimelike goals which would tip Optimus off that his mentor wasn't planning on being a good Prime and protecting humanity like he thought.

    2. He didn't want the Matrix anymore, beliving it represented the old "weak" Primelike ways that devastated their race, and had no place his in new idea of how to lead.

    3. He wanted Optimus to remain feeling like the leader, so he'd be more guilty that he didn't see Sentinel's betrayal coming and would be broken and more willing to accept their "leave the earth" trap.
     
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    Sentinel wasn't a Prime! And Matrix would fall to pieces in his hands.
     
  8. Aernaroth

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    Umm... I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated he was a Prime...


    I guess he didn't take the matrix because, well, he didn't need it for the plan he had. Sure, it's an extremely powerful artifact, but maybe he thought Optimus would eventually come around to his way of thinking, or that he could just take it from him later if he needed to.
     
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    I think Russian Fan meant that Sentinel was no longer worthy of being a Prime and so he was perhaps worried the Matrix would crumble in his hands and give the game away to Optimus.

    That said, Primes are a lineage, so Sentinel would indeed still be a Prime, just not one worthy of carrying the Matrix. Otherwise the fact Sam could hold the Matrix without it crumbling would suggest he was a Prime too. Sentinel could be considered the new Fallen maybe. But then the Fallen could hold the Matrix without it crumbling so is being worthy actually that important now when it comes to handling the Matrix? Maybe the Matrix only crumbled in RotF because it was waiting to fall into the hands of someone worthy, but once restored it doesn't matter who holds it as it won't crumble again.
    But then there are the guys in Robot Heaven that perhaps could've called out Sentinel on his plans. Wonder why they never bothered to give Optimus the heads up?

    We also have to take into account that perhaps Sentinel considered himself working for the best interest of his race and so that could've been considered a worthy goal by the Matrix and it not crumble at all because of that.

    *waffle*

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  10. Aernaroth

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    Sentinel definitely felt like what he was doing was for the greater good. He just had a very low opinion of human beings, in relation to cybertronians.

    And I definitely think that if the Fallen could handle the Matrix after mass-fratricide, that Sentinel would have had no trouble holding it.
     
  11. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Shoulda, Coulda, Didn't.

    I know if i was Sentinel I'd take it the hell back and probably also kill Optimus right then and there in the desert while they are isolated and alone.