Doctor Who Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by deathsheadx, Apr 5, 2008.

  1. DrGrim

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    Exactly.
     
  2. soundwaverulls

    soundwaverulls Taking a break

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    Moffat says he always wanted to have the 1st Doctor to meet a newer incarnation and the War Doctor gave him the chance to write a Doctor like the 1st. Some speculate he was just there to draw in viewers.
     
  3. Switchblade

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    Because the things the War Doctor did wouldn't have fit with McGann's character and Eccleston refused to return.
     
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    I recommend watching the Fiveish doctor's reboot around the time you watch Day of the Doctor.
     
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    Ah, my deepest wish. And I think it would've worked better plus have the big advantage of connecting the classic series with the modern series.

    The intent was to have the three modern Doctors and thus have Eccleston be the one to fight in the Time War. (This can conflict with statements from "Rose" in which describtions of Nine suggest that he was treated for Regeneration by a family who were supposed to go on the Titanic: like Eight would do, Nine convinced them not to go; and at the same time the mirror scene in "Rose" suggests that this is a new body for Nine...but it's all interpretation.)

    However, Eccleston decided not to be part of it and Moffatt had to come up with an alternative. Since he felt that having the Romantic Eight fight in the Time War was wrong, he came up with the idea of a celebraty Doctor.

    (It had the added bonus for him that with the War Doctor and Ten's deflected Regeneration, the Eleventh Doctor is actually in his last life and thus Moffatt got the chance to solve the regeneration limit.)

    I thought so too, but then I saw the special and I don't anymore. I don't think Eight couldn't have played this part or done those things. They weren't that bad as initially feared.

    And in a way, I think it would work better with Eight. A more romantic Doctor who is against his wishes thrown into a seemingly endless and brutal conflict...I can see a Doctor like him break and decide that destroying every Timelord and Dalek in existence is the only solution to this horror.

    And then regenerate in pure revulsion about his act and giving us the Ninth Doctor. (On the other hand, going from the War Doctor to the Ninth Doctor seems a bit weird, since they're usually a reaction to the experiences in the previous life.)
     
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    It's a shame eccelson didn't return, after finishing Tennant and Smith's runs as the doctor, I think 9 is still my favorite.

    Speaking of finishing Matt Smith's run, what is the overall opinion of twelve amongst fans?
     
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    Good actor, bad writing. That's what I and a some of the more critical fans think.
     
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    Capaldi is really, really good. He takes the character and runs with it in ways that really make him very different from the last two Doctors. It took awhile for the show to really get a handle on how to write for him, though. Season 8 is actually quite good with only a couple of real clunkers, but once you hit season 9 and the writing has finally gotten a good hold on the 12th Doctor the show gets phenomenal again (with one very glaring exception).

    I absolutely love Matt Smith on the show, but at this point it's getting really hard for me not to argue that Capaldi is the best modern Doctor.
     
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    Takara_destron Mainly lurking these days

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    You can't say that for sure though, since Day of the Doctor didn't actually show the War Doctor doing anything other than presuming that he wiped out both sides. The implication is supposed to be that he was doing horrible things that go against everything the Doctor stands for long before that. Which hopefully the Big Finish audios will be able to elaborate on a bit more.
     
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    ahhh... brain fart on my part :lol 
     
  11. Zhadow

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    Benedict is ideal for his ominous roles, especially this one, and the magic (pun intended) will be so auspicious. I'm so ready!
     
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    I'll mirror the general opinion on Eccleston's Doctor. Prior to Series 9, Eccleston was what I considered the best Modern Who Doctor. He had the streak of wit and there was also the subtle madness moments he had and while he did have some Poor Me moments he didn't whine or constantly reminding us how Forever Alone he was, or at least not the same wangst levels of David I Don't Want To Go Tennat. Matt Smith was more tolerable but not as subtle as Exccleston.

    Now Capaldi takes the "Best Modern Who Doctor" spot in my list after Series 9 in which we do see him do stuff unlike Series 8 with Clara taking the most attention.
     
  13. Rodimus Prime

    Rodimus Prime Sola Gratia, Sola Fide TFW2005 Supporter

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    Well, remember that the way we experience time is not fully understood, but we do experience time faster as we age. After a certain point, I imagine that the new friends that she made would essentially be less prominent in her memory than her first ones.
     
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    Yeah, the thing with Nine was that he actually was supposed to be the Doctor that fought in the Time War, that was the story bible back then under RTD. Ecclestone however decided to play the Doctor as a "new" man as his personal touch, which he used as an excuse to not be in the 50th Any ep.
    We can see that he was originally meant to be regenerated for longer based on all the Doctor evidence that was shown to us, which shows Ecclestone in loads of ancient photos and images, as well as written documentation fitting his description.
    I gotta say though, I like the idea of the War Doctor an think it works better the way it turned out to.

    Well, it could still be a reaction to the previous life. The War Doctor did horrible things during the war (he said so himself) and was clearly sick of it all by the time he regenerated. Nine was a young guy full of vitality and love for life, very compassionate and ridden by guilt, which works for a reaction to regenerating from a guy who lived through a war and ended a whole bunch of lives.
     
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    So just caught up on the newest season

    So as it stands. Just to make sure I'm following.

    Doctor has vague memories of his time with Clara and obviously can't remember what she looks like or any details involving her.

    Clara now is marked for Death and will eventually be returned to die to "the raven", but is currently piloting her own Tardis with "ME". Which is heavily implied to be the same Dinner from "the impossible astronaut"

    Is this right?

    So is Clara coming back next season?

    And as Far as Day of the Doctor is concerned. Zygons were delt with, Galafree is found, All that is left is War, 10, and 11 to meet 12
     
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    It's probably not THE diner, but just copied from that diner. Other than that, yeah, you've got it right.

    No, she's left the show.
     
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    Yes, it's right. And no, Clara is not coming back, at least nothing has been announced. But she'll probably do a cameo when Capaldi leaves.

    Gallifrey may or may not have been found. The finale occurs ~5 billion years in the future, at the death of the universe. As the laws of physics begin to break down, the barriers between our universe and the pocket universe begin to break down as well. That's why the Sisterhood of Karn also had access to Gallifrey, because it wasn't in the "cup-a-soup" anymore.

    Or Gallifrey may have been found in 2015 and it's one of the episodes on Series 10.

    In my personal headcanon the diner in the Impossible Astronaut arc is actually the diner TARDIS, there never was an "original" diner (another bootstrap paradox).


    One of the big fridge moments for me is the fact that the Time Lords didn't give the Doctor extra regenerations because they liked him, but only because they still had to ask him about the Hybrid and had to keep him alive.
     
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    I was hoping he'd outstay Moffat. Oh well, at least we have Mommy on the Orient Express and Heaven Sent.

    Black lesbian dominatrix sexy nurse. If a female can't be called the Master, I doubt a female could be called the Doctor.