Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by deathsheadx, Apr 5, 2008.
And I found it the worst of the series and easily the most off-putting Clara's ever been in show.
That whole situation raises for me an interesting question: to what extend is time fluid for the Tardis travellers?
In "The Name of the Doctor" we learn that the Eleventh Doctor dies on the battlefield of Tranzelore and is buried there. His tomb is the Tardis and his actual grave is his timestream. Clara jumps into this timestream and meets all the incarnations of the Doctor.
In "The Time of the Doctor" we see this battlefield on Tranzelore but because of Clara the Doctor doesn't die there. He gains new regenerations and continues to live.
If the Doctor doesn't die, then he wasn't buried there and there was no time stream for Clara (and the GI) to enter. That timeline was erased. Strictly lineair speaking, Clara can't have met all the incarnations of the Doctor because the events that caused this (the Doctor's dead, the GI entering his timestream and Clara folowing) never happened.
We know the Doctor is aware of alternate timelines but to what extent are those who travel with him aware?
(And because it's a completely different subject, a different post)
I don't think we are meant to like Clara, as in actually liking her.
She's not really a nice person. She's rather bitchy, she's a control freak, she lies to the people who care about her, she's more concerned with getting the life she wants than really caring about other people, and she's thus very self centered. In her world view the Doctor is there to fullfill her wishes, her dreams. And in her view she's every bit as good as the Doctor and he's there for her and not, as with all previous companions, the other way around.
But all this, Clara's entire perception of everything, does make for a compelling story this series. With the Eleventh she was rather boring and really nothing more than a plot device (especially so since what made her special had to be kept secret resulting in no character development or character revelations). But now that's over with, that story told, she gained a rather interesting story with the Twelfth Doctor.
I may not like Clara, I seriously dislike how important she's been made, but thinking about it from Clara's point of view, she does get an interesting story. Far more interesting than Martha or even Rose. The story of a companion who becomes addicted to the whole time/space thing that she finds he normal life so mundane and uninteresting that she can't connect anymore; a companion who is so full of herself that she thinks she more important; and a companion who because of her self perceived importance considers herself more important than the man who enables her to travel through time & space, and starts bossing him around.
But her story has been told. They told this in the past season and considering the conflicts between her and the Doctor (when he didn't fullfill the part she demanded from him) caused already a serious rift between them. Them getting back together should have been (and was) tenuous. The season finale was a very good ending of their relationship. It was over and done.
Like with "Asylum of the Daleks" for the Ponds, "Last Christmas" gave us a very good epilogue to the companions story. In Clara case it should have ended (as was apparently intended) with the Doctor rescuing old Clara and she telling him about her life and then dying in his arms.
(And like the Ponds after Asylum, their perfect epilogue, Clara goes on, dragging out her story.)
By 'like' I meant that I enjoyed watching her on the show, not that she was a likable person and is the sort of person I generally avoid in real life. But I no longer enjoy watching her. I'll finish the season eventually though so there is room for my opinion to change.
Amelia Pond I like-liked. She seemed like a fun person to be with. My daughter is even named (partly) after her.
I'm with Dr Kain on this one. I was really disappointed with modern Clara in series 7, but she and Capaldi have great chemistry together and I'm glad we've got another year of them together. The show just needs to switch focus back to traveling with the Doctor and away from her personal life; it's leading to too much focus on the companion, which is the same problem we had with Rose back in series 1.
Also, Listen is a modern classic.
Some companions just don't need to stick around. I thought Rose was great with Eccleston in her first season, but her story was told and done. The second year made her really clingy and annoying. Clara's followed much the same patter, but I hope she can improve during her third season since she's staying for another.
Kill the moon killed my ability to tolerate Clara, but listen made me loathe their use of Clara as a whole.
Had she left in the Christmas episode as was intended, it would've helped and been a nice departure, allowing them to do anything next.
This leaves me almost indifferent to the next season.
Really? I still think Rose is the best companion.
Now what I do want to see if no more love relationship between the Doctor and his companion. I am tired of that trope.
If there's one thing I think everyone can agree on about Clara, it's that we're all glad she and 12 aren't going there.
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It just a calendar, Also the 12th is not the only one who doesn't have a monster behind him. Check the 8th and War.
It could just be because there wasn't enough room with them sharing a panel.
But regardless, it probably still means nothing. (Unless that's just what they WANT us to think...)
I think she's very good, and probably one of the best new series companions, but only in her first year. I didn't like her much at all in her second year.
My favorite companion was always a tie between Sarah Jane, Leela, and Jamie.
Favorite companion? Ace; no contest.
My problem with this is there was never anything that tells Clara she's wrong. She betrays the Doctor, and he just goes "ah, who cares, we're friends" and continues to be nothing more than Clara's chauffeur through space and time. That's my main problem with series 8, the Doctor takes a backseat to Clara. Or, the front seat, to drive the car, because chauffeur...
My favorite companions are Romana and K-9.
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From what I've read about Clara she's everything I disliked about all the other Nu-Who companions turned up to 11.
Favorite companions are Romana, Zoe, Jamie & Jo Grant. Possibly even Peri.
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