To those who really hate the movies, is it because you think starscream, and ironhide, megatron and bumble bee, etc etc are supposed to be live action representations of thier g1 counterparts?

I personally think the problem many have with the movies is that they think the characters in the movie are supposed to be the exact same characters from the g1 cartoon which is not the case at all.

You have to watch the movies knowing that the characters in the movies may have a likeness to g1 but just like how animated had a likeness in some of thier characters, the characters are not the same. Prime in animated is not the prime in g1, just like prime in the movie is not the prime from g1 either...that goes for all the characters

 

Thank you for explaining to me how to watch the movie. I NEVER knew they weren't G1 characters. Not for one moment. No sir. I actually thought this was a direct continuation of the cartoon. I could never figure out why Prowl is a decepticon. How come Ironhide is black instead of red. Megatron being an alien jet-fighter instead of a gun really confused me. And Jazz is alive is he not?


Author Note for those that take my comments too seriously: This is all sarcasm because not everyone that dislikes, or isn't completely in love, with the movie bases their criticism or dislike on it not being G1-enough. Though for some reason, any criticism of the movie is always interpreted as "OMG ZOMG HE JUST WANTS GEEWUN!"
It really is as tiring as the constant "Is jazz coming back" threads.

 

i love the movies actually and i think of it as another reincarnation of the franchise just as Transformers Animated is

Transformers has so many universes. G1, RID, Beast Wars, Energon, Animated, Movieverse.

The movies are just another version of itself. And not a live action carbon copy of the original material

 

hahaha

 

For all intents and purposes with regards to the here and now, it should be regarded as its own animal.

With that said, people are going to like/dislike the movie regardless and this is dependent on personal preferences.

From what little characterizations of established Autobots from the first film, most traits are greatly derived from their G1 counterparts (though, the Autobots they chose were more iconic and really hadn't been reused in any other Transformers series barring Optimus Prime and Ironhide's name reuse for Energon). The only character that didn't seem right, was Bumblebee, who, among personalities, seemed more in line with Sideswipe, Hot Rod, and Hot Shot from Armada (who, was greatly influenced by G1 Hot Rod). Animated Bumblebee isn't exactly a carbon copy of G1 Bumblebee, but retains enough traits as to not lose his iconic character aspects completely, yet offers a fresh look at the same time. Animated Bee is a success in that regard.

With Decepticons, some creative changes were fine. I know that I prefer the concept of "evil cop car" Barricade over "obscure Decepticon micromaster" Barricade. Frenzy was effectively more of a punk than his G1 counterpart, though this gets lost in the film at times because of the ridiculus visual design.

Every other con was just pure cannon-fodder with little or no development. Starscream could've been an anonymous seeker drone for all I care. Megatron seemed to be closest to his G1 counterpart in terms of character, though there were some aspects of dialog that didn't mesh well.

I don't know what to expect to be graced with at the end of this month, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation.

A pity, because Star Trek redeemed Orci and Kurtzman in my eyes and I seriously begin to wonder what the first Transformers film suffered more because of outside interference rather than any of their original concepts.

 

i never meant to imply that everyone must not like it because of it not being g1 enough, but i do think that the majority dont like it because of that reason.

 

It's... it's not a matter of opinion. It's the second one. It's a new franchise. Some people may wish this new franchise was a straight adaptation of G1, but it's not.

And I think you're doing a disservice to the people who wish it was more like G1 by characterizing them as being confused into thinking the cartoon and movie are the same to that degree.

 

I think this is another interpretation.

 

I agree. There are those who dislike the movie for perfectly valid reasons (plot, dialogue, etc...) but sadly, the percentage of people who dislike the movie for really absurd reasons such as "Sideswipe's not red but silver??? Ironhide's a trukk and not a soccer mom minivan??? Jazz is smaller than Bumblebee? I don't care that the personalities and character traits are roughly the same, they got the alts wrong!!! CHILDHOOD BUTTRAPE!!!" is definitely well into the double digits, probably the majority of haters/dislikers. Pathetic.

 

None of that G1 stuff bothers me as much as the movie just dosnt seem to care for TF fiction and the characters that much.

I love G1 but I love the other versions of Transformers too.I just wish the movie respected the Transformers and theyr characters as much as they seem to care for the humans.

The humans are glorified as these Decepticon murdering badasses and the intrusive way the military presents itself in the main story is just lame.

I want to like the movies sooooo bad.I had been waiting for a live action movie for almost a decade.Everytime I see the movie on I check it out and try to see it for its good but its practically unwatchable for me.

Im hoping and praying for this second movie to be at least a little better than the first so ill be able to enjoy a live action TF movie.

So far it looks great but I thought that about the first movie based on trailers too.

 

wow

 

It's just another person's interpritation of the universe.The characters may not be to their original design or personality but when those of you who don't like the way they are interpreted in the movieverse and become a big hollywood director, you can do your own interpritation.  

 

Fair enough, though the argument is a tad generalizing. I find that a lot fo returning of returning fans that only vaguely remember the franchise as G1 don't like the film because it isn't G1 enough. However, I encounter more people that don't like the film because of Michael Bay and the actual merits of the film. Some viewers don't know that there was more to Transformers than G1, and no matter how much you explain transformers beyond G1, it really won't matter to them. Though you don't often see the G1 argument much here. I've hardly ever encountered here, but I have seen it used against many criticizing the movie.

Useless comment is useless? I don't know what to say, dude. I wasn't exactly ranting, but obviously my note about taking my sarcasm too seriously went over your head. You obviously were not posting around the time of the first movie, but threads ranting against any criticism always ended being a G1 fan hatefest. But I'm glad that I wow'ed you. 

 

I see every line as a different franchise, even stuff like IDW COMICS =/= g1 due to fact that every new story got it's own adaptations.

 

Smkspy for President.

 

new version, it is not G1 and it has never been protrayed as G1 and im glad as G1 can stand on its own quite nicely

 

this is sort of what im talking about. what tf fiction are you talking about? this is a new version, there is no tf fiction to stay true to since this is a whole new adaption. all of the things like optimus a truck, peter cullen, etc are nice nods/homages for the fans but thats it. I think that all of the fan service that has been done with the movie is confused with being something more than it really is...

i wish they did this to an extent as well though

 

i see it as a mixing pot that can have parts from all continuities and have some new things of it self.

 

Just because G1 was first, doesn't mean it was best. I, for one love the movieverse. For me, it's a way to personally connect with characters I grew up watching. And for the new characters/aspects, I'm getting to know them.