Do you like/dislike combiners that "pants-form"?

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  1. Prince Raw D

    Prince Raw D Well-Known Member

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    Question:
    Since many of those in this very thread, excluding myself and a few others, hate "pants". How do we (which means you) feel about the upcoming Stunticon figures from Fans Toys, X-Transbots, & DX9, because these figures will be sporting pants, long sleeve shirts ties ect ect ect when in their combined form? Again, serious question. I'm really interested in your answers, especially those who had a serious problem with my earlier post that were taken down by the mods. Ya'll know who you are, so lets hear it.
     
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    The difference is that the various Menasor attempts still transform and have a function outside of combined mode.
     
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  3. Prince Raw D

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    So when in robot mode, you're still going to have the trailer just laying around for display with the actual figures? I remember someone stating that the problem with the pants is that there will be nothing to do with them when the individual bots are in robot mode. Motormaster, in keeping with his cartoon gimmick, actually transformed with his entire trailer so how will that be cartoon accurate?
     
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    Combiner pants when not in use = stored in box.
    Combiner pants that transform into trailer when not in use = stored in box.

    Dx9 Capone is a prime example of sacrificing something important like Capone’s alt mode trailer, just so the combiner parts can transform into something.

    Capones alt mode is pretty much trash just so I can store the combiner pants as a trailer in box when not being used.
     
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  5. Honesty

    Honesty honestly, Honesty!

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    I have no issues with some parts forming — ESPECIALLY on combiners.
     
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  6. godotislate

    godotislate B Gata H Kei

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    Monkey pants only.
     
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    I think ALL MP combiners post Zeta should always use parts forming pieces to make a more stable and presentable combiners. No more CHUG style MP combiners that use the core bot for legs of combined mode!!!! That era is done! Parts forming is the way to do it! Zeta has proven it!

    I personally will "never again" buy another MP combiner that does the legs in the old chug style with the core bot forming the combiners legs!
     
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    I'm pro pants. If we could get the toys to melt, twist and just change size the way the cartoon did then if feel differently. But physics doesn't work like that. For me, and extra piece or three is better than the all-in-one approach. There are less sacrifices that the bot and alt mode need to make if they also don't have to take all the combiner aspects into consideration.
     
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  10. mikeszekely

    mikeszekely Not Pessimus Prime

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    Even before Constructor I didn't mind some partsforming. The combined mode's head, hands, and feet were all pretty commonly partsformed bits, and I didn't really mind if you had a chest plate either. It's basically how G1 did it.

    Constructor started the pantsforming thing. And it did seem a little ridiculous that Long Haul came with pants that were bigger than he was. But Constructor was a lot more stable than anything that had come before, and the G1 Devastator had a piece that connected the legs to Long Haul, so I guess I'm ok with it.

    Zeta's Bruticus and and Superion took it a bit farther. The connections for the shoulders were on Onslaught for their Bruticus, but you can have a complete (from most angles) Superion without Silverbolt. I think that's getting excessive; you could use the pants but still have the leader turn into the torso, I think. Especially when those leaders are still bigger than MP-10.

    The various Menasors go even further, since the team is more like decorations on a mostly-complete robot. I concede that it's the really the only way to get a cartoon-accurate Menasor (although I'd prefer a toy/OX Menasor), and that DX9's at least is really solid. But I think it's starting to raise another point. A lot of us wind up collecting two sets, one to display combined and one to display in their individual robot modes. Why not take pantsforming to it's logical conclusion and sell team members with the best bot and alt modes possible that don't combine and a separate, solid combined-mode robot that doesn't un-combine?

    On the flip side I do like what MMC is doing with their Bruticus. As someone who prefers the toy/OX style for Bruticus I think theirs looks a lot better than UT's or Zeta's, and despite the all-in-one gimmick the only figure that's really suffered for it is their Onslaught. And, frankly, I think Onslaught could have been fine if the chest plate and head for Bruticus weren't stuffed into his guts, but I'm not saying that pantsforming was necessary.

    TLDR; I can go either way.
     
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  11. Prince Raw D

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    I said the exact same thing in the thread that this thread was originally in. The mob did not like my comment LMAO
     
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    not a fan of arms being legs in combined mode... it usually never works... pants are fine for me...
     
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    I think Ocular Max Combaticons are ruined by incorporate-forming. So is MP Hound. Give us the right to put stuff aside in a baggie!
    Making Fanstoys Menasor that big while still needing partsforming is dumb though.
     
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    MnemonicSyntax You know what happens to Messiahs, don't you?

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    Thankfully, it isn't up to you.

    Pant/partsforming sucks.
     
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    I would prefer they made combiners that only used the bots involved and worked great, but I can accept that there are limitations to what can be done. I personally have only bought combiners that don't have the faux overalls. I think it's a waste to hide a bot folded up in the chest never to be seen again
     
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    I think pants are the only way to have robot and combiner modes that are accurate, or at the very least cool-looking, without one being compromised for the sake of another, like one being too short or another being unstable. Partsforming isn't the greatest thing (although considering the nature of combiners, it's far more acceptable with them in my eyes considering they also have massive hands and feet to worry about), but I think it's an acceptable compromise for the best of both worlds. I would prefer it if the pants were done with something in another mode, though. Maybe unfolding slightly and having the hands & feet attaching to become a little base or turret encampment the team members can use.

    I don't like how the Menasors are doing it, though. I feel like it really takes away from the impressive nature of combiners when all 3 of them are basically just a fully formed robot with some sports cars taped to his limbs and a Semi-Truck backpack. It's accurate to the cartoon, but I personally just dislike that interpretation of Menasor.
     
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    In MP pants forming is now the standard and all-integrated is a novelty.
     
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    I dont mind part forming. I'm just not a fan of 2ft combiners
     
  19. Prince Raw D

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    So are you picking up any of the Stunticons figures? If so, will they be displayed in combiner or individual bot modes?
     
  20. octobotimus

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    I don’t care how the combiner is made, as long as it’s solid, looks good and is big. People are too picky these days.

    now I’m off before the aggressive arguments with the mmc cult start.
     
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