Is Grindor a new helicopter, or did they just arbitrarily change his name? Is it Demolishor or Scavenger, or are there 2 excavators? And is he red with white stripes, or white with red stripes? Is Sideways Barricade, or are they 2 different characters? Is Rampage yellow or red? Is it 6 Constructicons, or is it 7? I just get the feeling these are all screw ups that the movie staff don't see as important. I may be wrong on all accounts, but it doesn't seem very likely. What do you think? Do you think the staff on the movie just see the Transformer characters as eye candy, and could care less about their personalities, traits or names? Or do you think all these things are well-thought out and on purpose?
they just said there are explanations for most of this stuff, use the good old wait and see tactic they probably did it just to send all of you guys into a frenzy, meaning they care alot
Michael Bay argued the name of Brawl up until the actual typing of subtitles. lots of shit in the movie wont look the same as it does in shit we've seen thus far
There are 2 excavators, Scavenger (Constructicon) and Demolishor (Not a Constructicon). There are also 2 Rampages, the yellow one (Constructicon) and the red one (Not a Constructicon). I'm willing to bet the helicopter guy IS Grindor not Blackout, and we won't even get an explanation as to where he's come from or a name. By the sound of the novel etc, he's only there for one reason anyway (not going into spoilers). To be honest it just looks like they're trying to save on the CGI budget by re-using models. All these double characters are just "repaints". This is something that has always been there in the TF franchise it's just now we're going to get on-screen movie repaints. Sideways is strange though, it definitely seems like at one point he was supposed to be Barricade. It's a bit of a leap to say they don't care just because they use some of the same models in different colors for different characters. If thats the case then Hasbro haven't been "caring" for years.
Never made a movie, have you? First, the Characters are important, but as written, they are general enough in many cases to be open to interpretation, which is why Transfans argue amongst themselves so often. With such divisions, the Writers and Director, in charge of millions of dollars in other peoples money, have to interpret those characters in such as way that Non-fans can embrace them as well. Not all moviegoers are geeks like us, and yes, I am one, and you are one. That;s just how we roll. Grindor/Blackout? Apparently there is a reason for it. We;; see. Sideways/Barriciade? The idea that they are the same character was fan speculation. There is no eveidence that The Movie folks intended for them to be the same guy. They have a similar design, but not the same, so let's see what they do. There are seven Constructicons. red, yellow? Do you know who you are seeing? We won't know without more footage. Red, or white strips? @ different characters, imho. You have you panties in a knot over speculation, and I will tell you, it doesn;t ammount to much, so save your anger until you have a final film.
I agree with Thundercrackah, though I will point out that the packaging for Sideways specifically mentions Demolishor as being a Constructicon. And the novel specifically notes that Spoiler the bot sacrificed to give Megatron life is a Constructicon, too. I think that there are just a whole bunch of interchangeable Constructicons, and a core group are featured as combining at the end of the film. This is my feeling from having read the novel and knowing the fates of certain characters. Oddacidtea: there is no real reason for the Grindor/Blackout difference, despite what the writers are saying at Botcon. They most likely just wanted to re-use the model, and the decision was made at a late enough date that there was no explanation written into the script, so a new name was given to him (and his model has a new head, from what I could tell in a HD closeup). Spoiler There is no mention of Blackout in the novelisation, but there is mention of a "Russian heavy chopper" which is one one scene and is quickly killed by Optimus. He is not named in the book, but the toys and the ROTF game name him as Grindor. It was probably done this way because to make him Blackout would require an explanation as to how he has been brought back to life, and that would open a whole can of worms with fans complaining that Jazz isn't back, or Brawl and Bonecrusher, etc. Also, based on his appearance and his role in the film, I strongly believe that Sideways was meant to be Barricade initially and was given a new name, probably as a Hasbro decision. Sideways' role in the film is basically Spoiler to show that the Autobots and humans are mopping up hidden Decepticons. All he does in the film's opening scene is try to flee, and he ends up getting immediately killed by Sideswipe. If you think of the character as Barricade, it'd certainly be tying up the main loose end from the last film...
I'm not really angry, it just seems to me they're not giving proper respect to the robots because the movie's mostly there to sell toys. But due to certain light shed during the writer Q&A, it seems I have little to worry about.
They probably just figure that since TF has a history of robots that all look the same (like the G1 Seekers) they don't need to go into details about having multiple robots that look similar. The weird part is that they didn't bother to change the color schemes. Also, I get the feeling that "Constructicon" is more of a general label regarding Decepticons that turn into construction vehicles this time around rather than a specific sub-group.
Being as alt modes seem to be based on a robot's personal taste and mass, it just seems that some amongst the Decepticons have similar tastes to one another. It also saves money and, quite frankly, who cares so long as the designs are cool. This mostly seems to be the case with the robots that seem destined to be cannon-fodder, too.
They care plenty. It's just a shame they only get about 2 hours per movie to show it while still making a good movie.
Maybe they aren't saying anything to keep the speculation going until you see the movie? Ever think of that?
Sometimes I think this lack of attention to detail is a symptom of industries being ruled by a handful of very large players (think "too big to fail"). You end up with products designed by committee (a sure recipe for success) that have to go through thousands more people with little or no personal stake in the final result. So of course all sorts of defects and contradictions slip though like water through a sieve. And then the fact that we have an audience willing to apologize for these screwups makes me wonder if we're just lucky that anything at all is photographed or spelled properly.
That makes no sense, if they could care less about something that means that they definitely care about it. Do you mean the saying 'couldn't care less', which literally means that it would not be possible for them to care any less about it, ie. they don't care about it?
Allegedly all the old transformers are brought back from the first one, even Jazz, so Blackout and Grindor should both be in the film. You guy's do know I post this crap and laugh at you when you get all mad? Even I couldn't believe Frenzy's head was in the movie.
I got a feeling they will explain these 'double' characters the same way they explained the Constructicon's alt modes. Demolishor gets killed early on. But before that, Soundwave scans his alt mode. Thus when the Constructicons arrive as protoforms, Soundwave just passes on the data for that alt mode and which makes Scavenger look the same. Same thing for Grindor. Soundwave scans Blackout's body from NEST's databank and just passes it on to Grindor who arrives as protoform. Seems a likely way to explain it.
