Did Beast Wars Ever Get Flak For Evolution?

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  1. Lovecraft

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    I know Beast Wars was violent enough to ruffle some parents, and a radical enough departure from G1 to alarm some 80s TF fans, but one thing I've always wondered but never heard about was the feedback to Beast Wars, particularly S2&3, "canonizing" evolution on Earth?

    Aired in the late 90s when some SCHOOLS in the US and abroad had pushback from more religious folks who didn't accept evolution and didn't want it to be taught.

    So, were there any documented reports of any negative feedback to human evolution having a center story role in BW?
     
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    Huh? It was in the 90s. Why would anyone give it flak. It's taught in school.
     
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    It's still controversial today depending on where in the States you reside.
     
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    I doubt the show was ever big enough to attract the kind of attention necessary to get flak. They may have been isolated instances of parents seeing their kids watching the show and objecting to it, but I doubt to the extent that anyone would've noticed outside of that family or, at most, that community. Especially since this was the mid/late 90s and the internet was still young enough that there was nothing on the scale of modern social media (in terms of presence or usage) to drive any wider furor even over a larger, more popular series. Never mind something as niche as what Beast Wars and the Transformers brand was at the time.
     
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    There might've been a couple of folks who didn't like it, but it definitely wasn't a large number of people.
     
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    Generally perpetual whiners only latch onto things that are more popular in order to ride the wave of their popularity and get attention, like the dumb bint who called Jynx from Pokemon racist despite that clearly not being the case.

    I've never seen folks make an issue in regards to this, even among my more religiously inclined friends, but maybe if it was more popular there may have been some? Maybe there are some out there, but I think generally Beast Wars was more """controverisal""" for its violence than the evolution thing.
     
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    I suppose even anti-evolutionists may have had bigger fish to fry. Who knows.

    Beast Wars is such an eyesore at a glance to a non-fan and also so damn noisy that I can see a lotta parents who may have been ruffled, a lotta parents in general really. Outright tuning it out and reading a book or staring off into the distance and wondering about the last time they checked the local library....for books that ought to be banned.
     
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    Only fundamentalists deny evolution. Sensible religious people and even the church itself officially accept evolution as fact.

    Not trying to get religious, just pointing out that the number of people who might conceivably object to a portrayal of evolution in the cartoon is way smaller than you might think.
     
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    If evolution wasn't a viewers belief, perhaps they just watched it as a fictional story or something...
     
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    The live-action movies present evolution as fact as well and those are far more visible than Beast Wars was, but it never came up there, either.
     
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    And if anyone did get upset by it, it could be easily handwaved away by saying that this is what Megatron thinks based on his limited knowledge of Earth. There were no other humans or anything to tell him otherwise.
     
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    Huh? That's a good question, and probably hard to research since the internet was not then what it is now.

    I'd imagine no. The show's relationship to evolution is tangential at best. The Beast Wars character's evolution is far closer to the "Crocoduck" bad faith straw-manning of evolution you get from your Ken Hovind and Ray Comfort types. So I'm not sure why it would. Yes, there is a pre-historic Earth, but again not central, and it doesn't exactly tread over Young Earth creations because the "humans" in the show are closer to Homo Sapiens than our common lemur-like ancestors. Not that those people won't get offended over any old thing, but getting offended about evolution in Beast Wars would be a huge stretch.
     
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    Well to be honest Beast Wars never show human evolution at it's fullest, because it's focus on the Maximals and Predacons fighting on Pre-Historic Earth, and evolution vs creationism is itself a dead horse because there more facts about the historic link of ape to man then everything the creation myths says.
     
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    I mean, it isn't. The proto-humans in the show are directly stated to be the ancestors of modern humans, to the point where their elimination would dramatically alter history by removing mankind from time.

    That's not tangential. That's cut and dry "these creatures will evolve into modern humans." It may not be scientifically accurate, but much of Beast Wars isn't. It still rather plainly, without ambiguity, states that humanity evolved from primitive, ape-like ancestors.
     
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    No, but was there any "pushback" from the first issue of the Marvel comic, stating that TF's evolved from "naturally occurring gears" and the like?

    How's about pushback from the "religious right" about Primus?

    No?
     
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    Coming from a fundamentalist family back in the day, I can tell you most fundamentalists don't care about Beast Wars. In fact, most parents of all cuts of cloth probably didn't even give the show the time of day. It was just another cartoon where the idea of time-travelling robots protecting homo sapiens are about as accurate as talking chipmunks wearing clothes and having professional music careers.
     
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    Being a micromaster, Flak only ever showed up in G1-era fiction, so no
     
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    Although the evolution element was there it was hardly the focus, you have to really be watch it to notice it. Many of the adults who might of disapproved probably didn't scrutinise it that closely. That said I'm sure a few crackpots took offence, but the show wasn't a massive hit and creationist have been in the minority for a long time now, I'm not sure either had had the clout for any 'Flak' to make into the media and cause a bit of controversy.
     
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    What would the rant be, from Anti-Beast Wars Evolution-Deniers, if they had existed... "Untelligent Design Not Munky?" :p 
     
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    Something like that right?

    Dinobots zero-ambiguity contemplation of suicide or BM Megatron's actual death camps were probably even less appropriate/more likely to upset parents anyway.