DEFORMATION SPACE DS-001 Crimson Wings(G1 MP Starscream)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by williammmw, Jun 10, 2021.

  1. xueyue2

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    Only these 2 really matters to me about MP52 :
    • too expensive
    • too short
    If he is more reasonable priced like mp11, I probably won't even mind his height, not too mention other minor issues.
     
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  2. primetime77

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    In a glimpse i can see why some prefer the takara but upon closer inspection...

    • The proportions of his upper chest are off
    • The proportions of his cockpit chest are off
    • The wings split in the middle
    • There's a huge wing backpack on his back
    • His intake vents are pushed way too far back
    • Lacks a waist swivel
    • Upper leg proportions are too skinny
    • Has a faux canopy
    • Color is too dark
    • He's a bit short and frumpy
    • has the same weird overextended butt kibble that mp11 has
    • alt mode arm kibble
    • Bobblehead
    • QC issues (ankle hinges!)
    • too expensive
    • is modeled after the pregnant version of the F-15

    Anyone wanna buy mine? haha
     
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    This thread is about DS-001. If you want to react to my previous post, please react on the content of it. I like a good, civil discussion. If you want to analyze and discuss MP-52, I suggest you go to the MP-52 thread.
     
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    Comparison and contrast to two extremely similar figures is natural. By discussing MP-52's flaws, I am still discussing DS-001 because they are the reasons why I opted to buy DS-001 instead.
     
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    Man... I live in wisconsin, and things still go to die there.
     
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    Remember when the 3P was the sane side of things and TT fanboys were known as toxic running wild? You guys should be able to take criticism on a figure you like without losing it. The official thread is actually less toxic than here for the first time in MY history. As a primarily 3P collector, They both have flaws, and acting like anyone having issues with DS is a narc is bizarre!




    • The proportions of his upper chest are off The chest roundness bugs some people, the unpainted edges where the red turns grey sloppily at the top of the DS's chest bothers me.
    • The proportions of his cockpit chest are off Looks good to me, could be a problem for some. The frosted MP chest looks better than seeing seats and junk clearly in robot mode.
    • The wings split in the middle Chest splits down the middle in 2 places, much more centrally visible on the figure.
    • There's a huge wing backpack on his back MP has a thicker, more organized backpack, and DS has a bunch of random rectangle flaps/screws and hollow bits, neither are great.
    • His intake vents are pushed way too far back DS has big visible screws in the intakes. MP can be placed forward or back.
    • Lacks a waist swivel Cleaner ab crunch is the cost/benefit
    • Upper leg proportions are too skinny Yeah, I could see that.
    • Has a faux canopy This is a problem for people with OCD that consider fake parts cheating.
    • Color is too dark Colour is too light, matte chalky paint that rubs.
    • He's a bit short and frumpy DS literally taller than Shockwave and Soundwave and maybe Acoustic Wave, both SS's sizes are wrong! Too short AND too tall
    • has the same weird overextended butt kibble that mp11 has Yeah, he's got a butt cover.
    • alt mode arm kibble They both have similar alt mode kibble, but MP doesn't have his head peeking out the cockpit!
    • Bobblehead - His neck can stretch out for crazy head tilts looking down or up all the way, plus stretch out to get Megatron choking him with no addition parts, this is a plus!
    • QC issues (Ankle hinges) - This is a real problem, if you have this, it's bullshit!
     
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    Anyone have problems with this guy's waist hinge? The bottom hinge that's connected to the actual waist is really loose for me and I can't get him to ab-crunch forward. The weight of the top always brings it back down.
     
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    To be fair, MP-6 still has the best jet alt mode of all time.
    Who lost it? I thought it was some fair criticism on top of a bit of lighthearted joking. I should add that I prefer MP-52's height, I like a shorter seeker. And MP-52's accessories/face options truly are nice.
     
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    One dude posted his issues followed by "Phht Takara amirite?!", followed by memes
     
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    The listed “criticisms” were so vague I couldn’t help but poke fun at it lol. Especially with how it made this figure sound like it looks nothing like starscream lol.
    Never saw that in here, even before (you know who) stepped in.
     
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    That's so harsh. And I didn't see that. I don't really like memes.
     
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    I have to say I don't regret picking up MP-52. Starscream is my favorite G1 TF character, and having faction symbols tampoed properly on his wings was always a must for me.
     
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    I said toxic, not harsh. IE: Overly defensive, not open to criticism!
     
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    I don't see the first two points that you mention about MP-52. Yes, he has some backpack, but not that much and it looks very clean. The back of DS-001 looks less clean, but is indeed thinner. The stomach of MP-52 doesn't stick out badly, if that is what you meant?

    Anything broken out of the box is bad. My copy was fine luckily. TT really needs to improve on its QC, that's for sure. For this amount of money you would expect that. DS-001 is not flawless either though if I read through this thread.

    The waist swivel is indeed a miss. I like waist swivel on my figures. I understand why TT didn't add it though. The break in the cockpit of DS-001 shows how bad a waist swivel looks when added like that. But I think TT could have done that better and add it without such a break. A shame that they didn't do that. MP-52 does have a good ab crunch.

    The head of MP-52 is in proportion to his body, so I don't get this point? The faces and color are also spot on. The proportion of the head of DS-001 looks less good and the faces are too light and worse than those of TT. Especially the smirk, which looks bad on DS-001.

    MP-52 has various negative points that's for sure, but DS-001 looks worse in my opinion and for only 60 USD more I prefer MP-52, which looks like a more premium product.
     
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    Who's selling MP52 for $200?
     
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    Amazon Japan was when you pre-ordered. They're great.
     
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  17. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    Nobody now as those stores have sold out
     
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    yeah honestly, i dont think anyone lost it. I'm definitely not raging here bangin' on my keyboard. All i saw was some points made about ds01 so i made a few for mp52 and there u go. they both have issues?

    its all in good fun
     
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    Idk I just don’t see how the back is cleaner than this guy. The wings are triple the thickness and he has a bunch of panels and back chunks hanging off the back.
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    I need to change my opinion and said that I don't like DS Starscream because of that gap and visible cockpit parts in alt mode. I'm OCD perfectionist and can't help myself. :D  It looks like they sacrificed alt mode for much better looking bot mode. I don't like sacrifices. I don't like that design philosophy. All modes should look good and flawless. Sorry I'm not bashing DS Starscream, he looks great and kudos to everyone who wants him but it's not for me. Now I'm going to wait for FT Starscream (I know it will be a long and painful wait) and I might even buy MP-52 KO.