Decepticon army was beneath moon the whole time???

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Final Knight, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. Hanzkaz

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    Uh, guys, when the makers of the movies themselves couldn't be bothered to make sure the timeline of events and the story arcs of the movieverse made sense, you're in for a headache.

    It's already been confirmed that they planned the action set pieces first, and then wrote (if you can call it that) to link them together.
     
  2. Coffee

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    The way you put it, it's actually pretty funny.
     
  3. Omega Charge

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    If you read my previous post a bit ago, I agree with you on a 50+ year plan being strange given the plot point of needing Sentinel to be revived, and think a post-ROTF initiation of the DOTM plan to be more sensible. Soundwave basically would have spent the time since the 60's basically keeping the subject of the Ark quiet among the humans, removing the pillars and Sentinel from the Ark, and searching for Megatron.

    After TF1, Megatron went with the plan he had with the Fallen, since there was no way to revive Sentinel until the Matrix emerged.

    It would have been captured and stored somehow (the movies' version of Energon Cubes), transported, and used to supply the Hatchlings.

    I won't argue too much with you there, and even recent interviews with the producer has basically confirmed that it's a nightmare job for the writers to try to work with the continuity. But if you care enough, it IS possible to work with everything and fill in some blanks. Even if 10 movies from now it means coming up with fan-canon involving alternate dimensions and time travel, in science fiction there's always answers out there. Personally I just don't like giving up on it.
     
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  4. RedWolf

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    Says the guy who says Megatron didn't come to Earth to meet with Sentinel Prime when it is in DOTMs dialogue.

    It does not contradict TF1 at all. Sentinel Prime telling Megatron where the Allspark is coincides why he was able to track the Allspark where everybody else can't.

    Here is a copy of the old Hasbro glossary. Which pretty much says Sentinel Prime knew where the Allspark was headed.
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    More likely it was purposely sent there. The likely reason it took 12,000 years to track it down is because Sentinel Prime used a Space Bridge so nobody, but him and Megatron, can find it.
     
  5. Final Knight

    Final Knight Starscream stole my Ice Cream

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    Your whole theory break in to pieces simply because of the fact the Optimus Prime launched AllSpark to space to keep it away from Megatron AFTER Sentinel and his ship Ark went through space. It was AT THAT MOMENT Megatron chased Allspark to Earth. So in correct order:

    1. Soundwave led the Nemesis with the Fallen on board to go to Earth to find Matrix. Then somewhere at the time fell to that whatever the place they were in TF2.
    2. Sentinal was planning to go to space to find a sustainable planet before accidently shot and went through space without any control.
    3. Optimus had no choice but to launch AllSpark to keep it away from Megatron.
    4. Megatron chased after it.
    5. Both AllSpark and Megatron crash landed to Earth.
    6. The Ark which was going through time and space crashed landed to Earth in 1961.

    And none of those time periods explain when did they hid an invasion army in moon.
     
  6. darklordoftech

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    I've long hoped and suspected that a "broad strokes" has been taken for ROTF.
     
  7. RedWolf

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    And Michael Bay, Rob Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Ehren Kruger do not care about comics that you hold as canon.

    To them only the movies count and is canon.

    Why would they be held down by comics based on their movies?

    You don't need everything spoon fed to you, with logic you can figure things out even if they do not spell it out loud.
     
  8. Final Knight

    Final Knight Starscream stole my Ice Cream

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    And yet you use descriptions passages given by a toy website to prove your "theory". ;) 
     
  9. RedWolf

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    Again who owns Transformers?

    The Glossary pertains to terms and definitions Hasbro has approved for the movies.

    For example the Nemesis is not a ship Megatron gave Soundwave to command it is actually the Fallen's own ship.

    Unlike comic book writers Hasbro has a say in these films.
     
  10. darklordoftech

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    In that case why does ROTF have seven primes who don't appear anywhere else instead of 13 Transformers of which only one is a Prime? Why is Prime a dynasty instead of a title? Why does The Fallen "fall" by blowing up stars instead of by joining Unicron?
     
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    I thought Hasbro was fine with Michael Bay raping my childhood
     
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    They're more than fine with it, they love it.
     
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    Grow up, you man-child! How is he raping your childhood?! Your precious G1 series still exist, go watch them instead of bashing Bay and the films. It's pathetic.
     
  14. darklordoftech

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    Back on topic, how does everyone here feel about The Fallen being trapped in a sarcophagus that gets dug up?
     
  15. RedWolf

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    The Thirteen was a Fun Pub idea for the Unicron trilogy and Universe line, Hasbro took that idea and used it for their Aligned Continuity.

    Now the films are neither of those is it?

    It is plain obvious that film writers read Hasbro TF story bibles and put their own spin with the approval of Hasbro. ROTF and DOTM had G1 plots while AOE is taking points from TF Animated.

    For the Movieverse it was not the Thirteen Primes who were the beginning of the Transformers. Only Seven Primes were the leaders of the Transformers earliest ancestors and they and their progeny were called the Dynasty of Primes. Meaning they are royalty.

    AOE gives a new spin while the Allspark did give Transformers life it was the Creators that created them. Optimus Prime is not only a Prime but a member of the Knights of Cybertron, whom the Dinobots are members.

    A new piece of the puzzle so to speak. The Allspark and the Creators relationship with transformers do resemble Vector Sigma and the Quintessons relationship with Transformers in G1. Instead of being an aspiring cadet for the Elite Guard Optimus was a Knight space explorer.
     
  16. darklordoftech

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    This makes you wonder if the Allspark has a will of its own.
     
  17. RedWolf

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    It made Sam trek the world to find the Matrix as a replacement vessel didn't it?
     
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    No.
     
  19. jametron

    jametron Release the Kraken!!!!!!!

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    Yeah, well that never made sense either... They needed Optimus to kneel and push a very apparent, not hidden whatsoever lever? What, to open the crash vault, he was the only one who could have managed to push that lever down? K.
     
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    No, they needed Prime's Matrix to bring him back online.