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Discussion in 'Comic Books and Graphic Novels' started by Tekkaman Blade, May 31, 2011.

  1. Tekkaman Blade

    Tekkaman Blade Professor of Animation

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    Glad I'm not the only one sick of him.
     
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    Wreckie Holder of the Discomatrix

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    The fact that, as soon as someone comes up with a character that strikes a bit of a chord with the audience they're immediately shoved into every major and minor event for the next three years, says a lot about the creative rut DC is in.
     
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    Tekkaman Blade Professor of Animation

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    Both DC and Marvel. The two biggest names in comics lost touch with a lot of their audience. Which is why more people are reading independent and manga which are catering to a wider audience. Not to say they both don't have stories worth reading, but not as many as they used to.
     
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    I certainly think they're deeply confused about what the audience actually does want, but I also think they're so terrified of not giving the audience what it wants that they see telling good stories as much too risky.

    DC's major tactic for survival seems to be to oscillate ever more rapidly between "nothing will EVER be the same" and "shut up and play the hits," and in the end that could end up being fatal.

    Both can make for good stories and crowd-pleasing events. Unfortunately, both also risk alienating segments of the audience. As that audience has been steadily diminishing for a long time now, the folks in charge are desperate to hang on to everything that is left, so in an effort to keep everyone happy they end up directing the writers to do completely contradictory things, either all at once or in rapid succession.

    Every change is undermined more or less immediately. Every death is undone, not within a decade or even a few years, but within a few months. Every secret identity reveal is retconned, every retirement undone, every new legacy character abandoned, because the last thing DC ever wants to do is stick the landing. I think the audience senses this inherent nervousness and reacts accordingly. And nobody wants to emotionally invest in a replacement character who will only be a major protagonist for a few months before being relegated to "supporting character" and then "occasional mention" status. And nobody really cheers when the original character returns, because their return no longer feels earned.

    They're trapped in this weird cycle of diminishing returns where the only way out is to take risks and have the courage of your convictions. Change the line-up by all means. Give us a mysterious new Batman, a hispanic Wonder Woman, a Superman stripped of his secret identity, but be prepared to pay a price for doing so both in-universe and in real life. If you're blowing up a universe, rewriting history or invading the Earth, let's see some actual, long-term consequences. Oh, and if a character's Big Important Death isn't important enough to justify doing without that character for at least, say, five years, then it's not worth doing.

    Questions every writer should have to answer before their work is approved should include: "Does the story you want to tell make the DC Comics universe a more interesting and creatively stimulating place?" and "Retcons aside, what avenues for future storytelling are cut off by the in-universe consequences of the story you want to tell?"
     
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  5. Tekkaman Blade

    Tekkaman Blade Professor of Animation

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    Yeah, I also think too many crossovers at both companies and not enough time to let the books and characters grow on their own, seems just like when a character is going somewhere they are are interrupted by a crossover that changes the status quo for everyone and altering the storyline the writer was just starting to build up. Forcing them to come up with a new storyline.
     
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    Spoilers for the last issue of Death Metal.

    EDIT: This is quoted from someone else.

    Primarily, Diana beats TBWL. The big concern is that if she wins, the Hands will show up and wipe away everything. TBWL makes one last offer of a paradise for Diana and everyone else if she lets him live. She rejects this and kills him.

    The Hands are impressed that Diana would sacrifice everything even unto death, so they offer to restore the Multiverse for an unknown cost. We don't know what it is, but Diana is missing at the end of the story (but everyone knows she's "out there" somewhere).

    Big dance party at the end as in Metal #7, but now the villains are invited too.

    The Justice League now has a permanent team with the Legion of Doom that exists in a fortress shaped like a black hand ring.

    The Multiverse is healing. Future State is a consequence of the new timeline. (Not much to go on there, just that Future State exists.) There's at least one new Earth out there known as "the Elseworld.". Some people previously dead are now alive again, though we don't know who. (Maybe Alfred is among them, since we see Alfred in the black lantern army that Bruce raises to defeat the Robin King.)

    Entire issue turns out to have been narrated by Sergeant Rock, who wrote everything in Hawkman's journal in 1943. (I take it that this is a callback to the earliest Metal issues.). The last page is Rock running into battle with the Justice Society.
     
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    Just a heads up, but the Justice Society did not and could not fight in WW2. Super powered heroes were prevented from fighting in Europe by the Spear of Destiny. Some of the non-powered heroes (like the original Atom) quit the Society so they could enlist. But the Justice Society themselves had to stay out of it. This was a work around to explain why at the time, heroes like Green Lantern and Spectre, etc., didn't go over and wrap the war up in two minutes.

    But whatever. It's not like that's my biggest problem with Death Metal.
     
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    matrixprime Just a guy who likes toys

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    At least it’s finally over.
     
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    Kind of disappointing honestly for something that was talked about as a "WW story" and being shuffled off as her 80th anniversary starts but at least the blue highlights in the hair are gone now.
     
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    Dark Night: Death Metal #7 makes me excited for the new direction of the DC Universe, and I'm interested in reading the upcoming Wonder Woman run to make sense of her new status.

    Plus, with several characters apparently being brought back from the death, it seems that DC has seemingly correct the questionable deaths that occurred with Heroes in Crisis, and hopefully brought back Alfred Pennyworth.

    Also, the idea of DC Elseworlds returning is also exciting.
     
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    Here’s an even more detailed plot description.

    A final battle clashes between the Golden-Cladded Wonder Woman and the Darkest Knight; a battle that spans across time and space. She’s finally brought to the birth of creation, where the Darkest Knight reveals that Perpetua’s people (referred to as “The Hands”) will simply erase the universe and without a restart, half of Diana’s friends will be dead. Diana has two choice; keep fighting and lose or surrender to the Darkest Knight and use their combined power to kill the Hands. Refusing to give up, Diana strikes back at the Darkest Knight, pushing him forward through time, sending him into the dying embers of Earth’s sun. Seeing the Hands arrive and her friends struggle (Batman resurrecting his Bat-Family and Foes against the Robin King, and Lex sacrificing himself to save Superman from the evil Last Sun), Diana imagines the Universe young and alive again, and shoves the Darkest Knight into the sun, killing him once and for all. Awakening in a white void, she meets one of the Hands in the form of her Golden Age Self, telling her that her actions have allowed them to rethink their methods and that the Multiverse shall be restored with all history and all stories restored (there is no place for walls and boundaries). All of this comes at the cost of Diana ascending to help the Hands from any looming threat.

    On Earth, the Hall of Justice hosts a massive party where every hero and villain who helped in the battle is celebrating. Barry reveals to Wally a new space-station called “The Totality”, a shield protecting the world from future threats, manned by the greatest minds on Earth. New futures are opening up, many fallen characters are returning, and Darkseid is gone, The Infinite Multiverse is back (or as Lex calls it, an “Omniverse”), an Infinite Frontier of possibilities. Even Earth is no longer the centre of the Multiverse, as there are two sources of energy for the Multiverse (one might be on Earth, an “Elseworld”).

    Earth-0, 1941; Sgt Rock finishes writing his experience in Carter Hall’s journal, as he leads the Justice Society of America into battle.
     
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    Based on the time frame given in the issue, at least they set it early enough in the war that there's still a possibility this is where the Justice Society painfully finds out about the Spear of Destiny.
     
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    I guess it's possible. But I think it's more likely the current generation of writers never knew and does not care, and just assumes the JSA fought in Europe the way the Invaders did. For example, just in the past several weeks, the JSA was seen fighting in the European front in the Injustice prequel comic. That's a different world, so there's an excuse if they want it, but I really do think it comes from not being concerned with those who came before.
     
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    Yeah that’s totally a possibility as well.
     
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    I would describe it as cutting the fat, like just tell good stories and don't worry about when and wear it fits.

    If one writers wants to do a Batman & Robin (Bruce & Damian Wayne) comic and another wants to do a Damian Wayne as Batman comic, than just do it and don't worry about explaining the timeline.
     
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    I’m amazed. How is it that DC can lower my expectations issue by issue and still manage to disappoint in the finale?
     
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    Housewife Diana was cute.

    Was a bit of an underwhelming start but I enjoyed the art and hopefully some good stuff with Psycho in the next issue.
     
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