I understand the idea. But in actual practicality, it doesn't have as much success as one would like. Yeah, you can start the convo...but like you said, holding it is another thing. That's where the disconnect is. I have friends who've used the dating apps, and the majority of her contacts are people who are wannabe playas. All just trying to swindle their way into her pants. And their "game" is rather pathetic and amusing to read (yeah, she shares them with me). One moment they're all nice. The next moment (because she's not ready to meet them, or want to), they're belligerent assholes because they didn't/couldn't get their way with her. So nah...when you have that happening a lot, people are gonna put up their guard. Why they remain on the app anyway? I dunno. I find it's just better to meet a person outright, and naturally...outside. False confidence then. Like I said, many a female friends have explicitly said they find it more attractive for a guy to be able to exude confidence. If you can't even find it within yourself to even walk up to her and say something? Well, they see it as you don't think they're worth the effort. It may not make sense to us guys because we have our own thoughts on the matter. But again, you're dealing with another human being here. Having that face to face interaction means more in the end, than just a random text DM in an app. Unless of course, you're talking to someone who just lives on apps. Then that's another story. How fun would it be to date someone who's proverbially stuck on the phone? For me? No thank you. I want an actual human being to interact with. Not some brain dead zombie who's just drooling from her mouth with the phone screen glued to her face. Nope, I already gave up on them. Don't care for them from everything I've seen through my own personal experience, and through the ones of friends. You stand a better chance not using the apps if you just worked up your courage to just do it. Yeah, you might get rejected, but what's to say that same rejection isn't gonna happen on the app in the form of ghosting? At least if you get rejected face to face, you know then and there you gotta move on. Personally, I'd rather have the pain or discomfort of that situation last a lot less time, than to just sit there...staring at the stupid screen on my phone wondering for who knows how long. Some people don't know how to move on. They let that kinda thing get to them way too much. To each their own. I find it more effective to just talk to the person face to face. Seriously though, if we're being honest with each other...we're all just trying to find ways to avoid rejection in any which way possible or to dodge it for as long as possible in hopes that we can have a better or opposite outcome. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. You can prolong it from happening, but you can't stop it from happening. I'd rather deal with it then and there, get it over with, and move on. I don't like wasting my time like that. It's like that quoted line of Thomas Edison in a movie (yeah...a movie for crying out loud). He didn't fail 10,000 times in an attempt to make a lightbulb. He just found out 10,000 ways NOT to make a lightbulb. Now why can't that be applied to other aspects of life? Here? You didn't just get rejected 10,000 times. You just found out 10,000 ways how NOT to approach/talk to someone. Oh and then back to my earlier comment of not wanting a zombie. They're all on the apps. Nope! Not for me! And yeah, the counter to that is that I might meet one outside too. But again...if I see that she's super/gorilla glued the phone to her face? I'm not gonna bother Life is hard enough as it is. Why over complicate it when you don't have to? Furthermore, why settle for anything less than what you truly wanted?