Daca Toys Kronos (Masterpiece scaled Skyfire / Jetfire)

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  1. Steel

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    I pre-ordered 2 from Chosenprime and finally got to open them over the weekend.

    Let me say, I love the aesthetic of Kronos..he stepped right out of my 1985 oak frame tv screen and into my wanting collector hands.

    While he is indeed hefty, I have several quality issue with him, which are glaringly apparent. I personally feel Daca was treated unfairly and outight screwed on the quality of these units. Mine has the following issues:

    -Big scrape on the blue area on his forehead
    -Grayish paint and gouges all over the back of his legs, on his shoulders and all over his body.
    -All of the upper body joints are loose including the elbows and worse yet, the shoulder tabs/panels. This causes the arms to come loose, which leads to his chest popping open. The figure basically becomes a floppy rag doll when you attempt to pose him.

    The design is genius, but I think the factory shit the bed with some of the blatant quality issues and assembly problems.

    I feel bad for Arafat, as he was very passionate about this project. As of now, I am going to try and fix the qc issuesmyself, as returning it to Chosenprime is only going to lead to a loss for them and I'd like to see them stay in business and thrive.

    Do I regret getting it? No. I needed a G1 Jetfire and Kronos is it. I'm just not happy that we had to wait so long and still received a product with QC issues. I still have the utmost respect for Arafat and hope he moves forward with other projects, with a different factory.
     
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  3. Alucard77

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    I almost wish that they had inspected by #9 stickers. So we can know that #9 tester did a shit job.

    Hey Steel,

    Sorry to hear about your experience. Not sure if you were reading the whole thread. But in case you have not, for the looseness that you are describing, have you tried to tighten the screws. I had looseness issues, and tightening screws took him from being floppy, to being very tight. I know this also helped other people.

    As for the paint apps and your comments. I agree with you. Arafat was screwed by the factory. I think it should be a learning experience for him. If he does any more figures, he needs to be at the factory for the final builds.
     
  4. Joevette8

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    I was going over mine with some rubbing alcohol and i noticed white paint on the legs. When i used the alcohol the white paint came off to show red paint underneath! The factory definitely is at fault, they got red paint on the figure and then just shittly covered it up with sloppy white paint. I was able to get rid of the red paint with the alcohol as well and it looks fine now.
     
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    So just to be clear. The reason Kronos' ankle breaks is because the last two holes are just too small to accommodate the size of the bar that is passing through it. By trying to force the bar through is the reason the ankle piece breaks. That seems like an easy enough fix. Honestly, the reports of the ankle problems is what scared me the most. I can deal with slightly sloppy paint since I have an airbrush. Loose joints can be dealt with using Future floor polish. It's the things like broken parts or malshaped parts that I cannot fix.
     
  8. primetime77

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    eh, i don't think its as one sided as you think. FWIW there are those having looseness where "tightening the screws" doesn't fix it. There are problems inside with tolerances likely. my screws are bottomed out and nothing. i will probably take it apart next weekend to see what i can do if anything. and yes of course it seems to have helped some.

    Also there are some very questionable design engineering issues too. those flaps on the shoulders/top of torso...i truly don't know what he was thinking. its pretty much an unforgiveable design choice IMO. its nearly impossible to articulate the arms without having those pop off and it will become impossible with time. Gotta hold those down while rotating the arms. Also, the foot/ankle system is....pretty bad. looking at the thickness of that part comes down that the metal slides on...and seeing it flex too much is not comforting. this may or may not be an issue. plus there is the overall thin, kinda squeaky feeling of the plastic parts that isn't an issue but just feels bad in hand and doesnt help people's impression of the figure. also the notches not lining pu correctly on the thighs is not likely JUST a molding issue and that should have been caught on the test shots anyway.

    the rest of the stuff is mostly a factory /assembly issue. bad paint, yup final assembly. sprue marks...yup not removed by factory correctly. loose joints ...some of this is factory doing assembly. some of that is either the molding house or the guy that should have reviewed the parts before they were asembled.

    my point is, its very easy to blame "the factory", and for sure they screwed up a lot of stuff, but not everything can be pushed off to the factory. as stated above there are deisgn concerns i have and lets not forget, someone had to sign off on these as acceptable and ship them out. your name is on the box, you better make it meet your standards. the same is true with all 3P products, but its especially important here because someone literally promised the product would speak for itself (which it has but not in the way intended) and started shit talking other products. that is why there is a massive blowback on this product. managing expectations is important in life and in business. that was very poorly done here.

    all that said...i think aesthetically this is a really nice skyfire to stand in with MPs, but the engineering and execution is just not there. for me, he is a placeholder for the reasons stated above and others. also, it makes me not really look forward to anything design by daca toys in the future. i mean, i'll definitely wait for a review or three before i spend anything on it anyway.
     
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    does anyone still have this guy in stock?
     
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    Toydojo has PO's for a second shipment
     
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    Got my 3rd Kronos today at work and this one is the best of the 3. No split gaps in legs, thighs, shoulders. No overspray that i can see. Tight ratchets and good tightness on joints. Face is excellent no issues there. Fingers all match. Backpack paint is good. One side of his backpack was out a little but i fixed that pretty quick. No red paint on any places that it's no suppose to be. Im really surprised and happy that i got a really good one. Even the box was good. It had small dent on the bottom corner, but it's not reall noticeable.

    I really have 2 solid copies now imo and kronos to me serves his purpose as his is the best representation of G1 toon Skyfire. When i get home tonight i will clean him up and put a big autobot insignia on his chest and im done. I will have one in bot mode and one in alt mode and they will never be transformed. They will serve as excellent fill in until a better Skyfire comes by Hastak or a 3rd party. My worries of and stressing on making one good kronos is now over. I have 2 wich are pretty good and im happy.
     
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    Very good and valid points.

    Here is some things:
    - The screws, I have seen stories of that as well. I think the bicep swivel cannot be fixed that way. With your figure, just be careful not to strip the screw area. That is the problem with screws.

    - Flaps on the shoulders. At first, I thought they were lose. I lined mine up and they clicked in, then they were fine. I can now pose him without having to readjust. However, I can see your point. That relies on very tight tolerances. Which I personally hate as well. If the tolerance is good, you don't have to worry. If not, then your screwed. So I can see that being an issue for some.

    I had that problem with M3s shins and it was a pain in the ass to pose. People that had the issue knew what I was talking about, others told me I was wrong and not doing it right.

    - My ankles so far have been fine. I am reserving a bit of judgement on it. It is surely different then normal TF design. But not sure if it is bad.

    Having said that, it may be bad, especially after 3 breaks have been reported. I hope that is not a trend.

    - Plastic quality. So this one, I was struggling with. I don't think the plastic is "cheap". I just don't think the molding of the pastic is THICK. I think people are comparing this to FansToys. FansToys plastic is THICK. So I wonder if that is the feel they have.

    With Huff I felt I would break the thing. With this, not so much.

    - In terms of over all QC, I will agree with you. I do think Arafat should have gone down there to make sure the product released went out as it should.

    While the factory shit the sock, he should be held accountable as well. I just hope he learns from it.

    As for future releases, I look forward to them.

    I really think this figure has everything to do with the QC you got on it. With QC that is fine, you may like the figure more. I mean, when looking at the complaints, they are mainly focused around QC. I could be missing it, but not many people are saying, "I got this with great QC, but x,y and z is a pain the ass and I cannot stand it".

    So I think if Arafat gets the QC handled I would be open to future releases. For a first release it is pretty ambitious and actually pretty darn good.

    To an extent I think FansToys spoiled us with the Quakewave release. They perfected everything on that release. I don't believe a first time release by a new company can ever hope to live up to those standards. Not even FT lived up to their own standards.

    I think that is what people were looking for here. I do think this is far way away from Quakewave for the reason you explained.
     
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    Has anyone disassembled the forearm to correct misalignment? If so, I'd like to know how simple this is to do. I don't consider myself overly handy or helpless, but if I could just get them a fraction of a millimeter better aligned, I wouldn't see the unpainted white interior in his arm armor. Then again, if there's a significant potential for creating a worse misalignment, I'll leave things be.

    Thoughts?
     
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    TFsource has him in stock, ready to ship, with free shipping and it appears inspected by them, I've canceled my BBTS preorder and will hopefully have him in hand soon!
     
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    Simply unscrew it and put it back together. There's not much to it. It's only purpose is a hollow housing for the hand in altmode...
     
  16. axiom

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    I had the same issue with the knees bending side to side. I found out that you need to pull further (hard as hell) and the knees lock in.

    As far as the ankle break, in the video it appears you were "bending" more than "push/pulling". I know it's a 2d video, so I may not have seen it correctly, but all other Kronos owners need to be super careful in the ankle area, it looks like it should rotate, but it’s much more or a slide that rotation.
     
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    I am still waiting on my Kronos to arrive. It sounds to me like I will be taking the feet off and widening the holes in the ankle support to prevent breakage. I just got a new Dremel and am itching to use it on something.
     
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    Just received mine from ToyDojo. Immediately when I open the box there were two screws rolling around inside the box. I can't seem to figure out where they belong. I looked all over but don't see any missing screw holes.

    The figure so far is great though. The gaps are very small on mine so I can live with it. The do have a few sprues in places that are easily removable. The only paint chipping I have is the back from rubbing the backpack and a little bit on the blue of the helmet. Some of the white parts have like an orange stain but its only noticeable if you really look. The joints and ratchet are all very tight. As of right now I think the investment was worth it for me.
     
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    I was trying more to push and pull...in doing so it might have bent it while doing it out of the force that was necessary to get it to move.
     
  20. axiom

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    I tried but the screw heads are totally stripped on the right forearm. It almost looks like my forearms have the halves swapped, like half is the right portion and half is the left portion on each arm. I may try that rubberband method to remove the screw.

    Yeah, it's definitely a scary area to transform.
     
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