That doesn't count. That stuff is not part of the robot.

Yet none of the ones released so far partsform. They can transform differently, but they don't partsform.

 

and you are right, he didn't parts-form. That was an add-on kit that provided the silencer and stock. I can just imagine the rage when Takara announces MP Megatron V.2 and it comes with the stock and silencer that must be parts-formed to get to robot mode from alt mode.
I am all for parts-forming as long as it provides a great robot mode.

 

I walked away from the purchase, but I still find the discussion surrounding this figure interesting, and I have every right to participate. As you say, I am not being insulting.  

I think the problem here is that people on both sides of the discussion - myself included - might be overgeneralizing the reaction by either group. One or two (okay, maybe a bit more than that!) are overreacting and making a bad name for everyone else who either wants/doesn't want this figure.

And of course... this is the Internet. We tend to overexxagerate our opinions, and on the other side of that, perhaps read into things a bit too much.  

Yeah, maybe. It's all good.  

 

Well, I think people now a days wouldn't want parts forming on anything, including classics.

In either case, Parts forming never really bothered me. Is it nice if it wasn't there? Sure would be. Deal breaker that it is there? Nope.

For me, just like you, I think it looks great in both mode, parts forming or not.

 

But the set does make it screen accurate which is exactly what MP's NOW , are going for .

 

Well, your glimpse at njcc helped sell me on it, so thank you.

And you are totally right... Mp is not a quality, or a "level" it's a "prescription lens" that each collector must look thru to pick pieces for his collection... For instance, I LOVE mp laserbeak, but was disappointed with ravage. Love sideswipe, prowl, not a fan of mp08 bot mode. Mp10 is near perfect, mp03/11 is hit-n-miss... So... From that standpoint, kronos fits right in.

 

This is some hilarious stuff. So everyone would be perfectly happy if there was like a tiny hinged bracket that let you lift the backpack off (but still stayed attached to his back) and then lock into a different position?

 

Bah, will never transform my MP Meg v2, he stays robot forever. That said, I usually prefer TF with easy transformation and excellent quality, like MP Grimlock and Quakewave, the MP Cars, and MMC FR/Hex up to now are my favorites.

 

Agree on mp meg v2. Never cared for the gun mode, or the logic of it... Nor the fact that it was the only transformer that was not allowed to leave the house when I was a kid. Couldn't take it to school, nor to the store, or friends homes. Nope. G1 megatron was a stay-at-home toy.

 

I completely get that people have their own nitpicks, quirks etc.

I will not buy an action figure if it is pre-posed or limited in articulation. It has to be able to pose in a straight "at attention" pose or I won't buy it. Yet, I'm lucky if I change their poses more than twice per year.

Personally, I'd be ok if none of these Bots transformed at all (ducks for cover), as long as they looked like they did and had beautiful sculpts & articulation.

Everyone has their own preferences. An action figure to one, is a statue to another. A parts former to one, is a transformer to another. It's all about personal preference.

 

Totally, 110% agree with this in regards to certain transformers, like megatron, who MUST sacrifice to transform. I would easily pay $80 to $90 for a mp styled megatron, that doesn't transform, but looks identical to his cartoon model. I already have his altmode in the hands of my mp03 starscream.

 

I've been really trying to like this figure since I saw it...but I just can't. Jet mode looks okay but the robot mode looks all sorts of "off" in ways I can't put my finger on...maybe it's the hip jointing...maybe it's that the whole aesthetic suffers from attempting to be TOO lavish to the animation model...and dollar to dollar...think I'll be passing for the Hasbro leader figure instead. For those who like it, more power to you.

 

I'd be happy with that. Most transforming toys do what they do because of tiny hinged brackets and similar mechanisms.

The toy company Yamato made a 1/60 scale VF-1 toy that required the legs be removed for transformation. While it was mostly a good toy, the general reception of the transformation was poor so they made an entirely new VF-1 toy that used a small, hinged bracket to allow the legs to move position, as did their third go at the VF-1 later on.

(no, I'm not suggesting Arafat should re-design the toy, just trying to help people understand that dislike of parts removal isn't anything new or strange)

 

If I had a choice between what TheGame2K5 had shown, or what we have now, I will chose what we have now, 100% of the time.

I rather have a figure that I don't have to worry about a snaping hinged bracket. Look at iGear Medic and tell me your not worries about the brackets the used.

In G1 days the reason Partsforming sucked balls is because you would lose parts, and hence the item couldn't be formed. As grown ass collectors, I don't get it. Same way I don't get people who complain about Fake windshields on OP figures.

 

oooooh, i am not a fan of faux windshields, wheels, anything. id rather have it parts form. no shell formers and no faux stuff for me.  

 

that just sounds silly to me. adding an unnecessary piece like that?

ya know what might help, make the tse, chu, tse, tse, tse sounds when you are switching the backpack around. problem solved.

 

I still have 3 of those floppy messes...

But remember that the main issue with those was that it was the LEGS that came off. And in both jet and Battaroid mode, what part of the plane supported the weight? The legs... The simple fact that the jet pack sits on Kronos' back nullifies any floppy potential, in BOTH modes.

I don't care if the backpack on Kronos has to be removed or if it hinges in place. Still getting it.

 

Current Macross valk designs are very complex, some so much that they are a pain to transform. But that is what you get when you want a great looking plane turning into a great looking bot just like in the anime. And again, to get a perfect transformation some valks are the complete opposite of "fun".

But Skyfire's alt mode in the cartoon is a flying coffin with wings. The design takes everything that made The VF-1S cool and turns it into ugly/boring/whatever. The toon designers really did a great job to avoid any legal problems  . I would not buy a model of it.

So I don't mind partsforming in Kronos if it gets me a great looking bot and a cartoon accurate box with wings for a nice price.

Wish Takara had done the same with MP Megs. The lower half of the toy and sturdiness were sacrificed for a boring gun mode.

One thing I like about Quakewave is that bot mode was first. The space gun mode needs partsforming and the trigger is a joke... but I don't care about space guns.

 

What's shell forming?

Fake windshields and stuff are fine with me. There really isn't a better way to make a decent bot mode for character's like Starscream from a F-15. As long as it's only used when there is no practical way to avoid it, I'm fine with it.

 

so are we still all up in arms over the partsforming? agree its not ideal but hey...it gets the job done and as soon a the recent pictures came out of the back, backplate etc. it was pretty obvious if you looked and thought about it what was going on. i think arafat just focused on having a bot mode that looked the part and would be solid fun toy to actually pose and **gasp** even play with. sure, this thing isn't perfect (even aside from the parts forming), but it looks the part (espeically in bot mode, with an ok but not horrible at all alt mode) and it gets the job done and i'm sure will be fun to handle. Will it wow us with clever engineering? probably not....but it checks all the right boxes for lots of people. i'm still on board.