With the way it was focused on Bombshell it could be that it was him who became Cyclones unless official world confirms otherwise.

Also has it been any official confirmation that everyone was dead before they were transformed by Unicron and that means they are just create from there remains and are not them reborn?

 

Hoooo boy have you opened a can of worms.


Here we go again folks!

 

So who became Cyclonus

Transformers the Movie : Who became Scourge and Cyclonus?

This topic has been discussed at length virtually since the movie came out, but these are a couple of recent threads.

 

Beating a dead horse, fella.

 

We need a Duocon version of Cyclonus with the jet fighter as the torso and the beetle as the legs. We can call the jet Typhoonix and the beetle Tornador.

 

I'd say that regardless of official confirmation or not, Scourge and Cyclonus obviously remember little of their previous lives. I'd say that clearly shows us that whatever was left of their lasercores was next to nothing and may as well have been dead if they weren't. Unicron also says "new troops to command" - not "revived troops" or "refreshed troops". This implies that Scourge and Cyclonus were not anyone particularly beforehand - they simply came to be from the carcasses of the fallen soldiers.

Galvatron, on the other hand, clearly remembers being Megatron. That contrasts with Scourge and Cyclonus considerably.

So, in the end, it doesn't matter who became who when it comes to those two because it wasn't an upgrade process...it was them being recycled and Unicron being "space waste" conscious. It's like arguing if my Pepsi was formally a Coke because the aluminum was previously used for containing Coke at some point.

 

The short answer is that most of the direct evidence around the movie says it was Bombshell. This is from the final product and the storyboards of those scenes, the latter of which highlight Bombshell by name as the bot in the foreground of the Cyclonus creation scene so that it wasn't just a case of a rogue animator doing whatever he felt like.

Based on that the reformatting lineup is:
Megatron -> Galvatron
Thundercracker -> Scourge
Bombshell -> Cyclonus
Kickback & Shrapnel -> Sweeps
Skywarp -> Cyclonus' "armada", a second Cyclonus seen in the background of the reformatting scene that is then never ever ever ever ever (ever) seen or referenced again anywhere else within cartoon continuity.


However, the above somewhat ignores that it is never important to any of the post-movie stories that Cyclonus or Scourge may have been a specific other Decepticon in their previous iteration the way it is with Galvatron having very explicitly been Megatron. The closest-to-official alternative interpretation is that the TF Universe bio from the same time frame and some drafts of the movie suggest Megatron-to-Galvatron is the only direct one-to-one reincarnation. Specifically Cyclonus' Universe bio says:

and similarly Scourge's says:

By this version of events none of Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps are any one bot. They are instead frankenstein'd bodies cobbled together from bits and peaces of all the other dead 'cons present, reshaped into their current form, and then with a brand new spark/soul/personality shoved into them (with those beings possibly not even being crafted from the remains of the bots becauset they were already dead and gone)

So if that's the case the answer is:

Megatron -> Galvatron
Skywarp, Thundercracker, Bombshell, Shrapnel, Kickback -> Dead
Bits and pieces of the above 5's bodies -> Scourge, Cyclonus, Sweeps (with no regard or attachment to what came from where. They are all, essentially, brand new bots just made out of recycled parts)

I think some Japanese continuity insists that Skywarp is Cyclonus probably because the symmetry of the two seeker jet lieutenants becoming Galvatron's top lackeys while the more ancillary Insecticons with their copying abilities become the rather faceless and indistinct duplicating Sweeps. But that's just them and may have been shaped by the fact that they didn't get the movie until years after the fact and I don't think they got the Marvel comics at all so they were off in their own little world doing whatever they wanted with the lore they were given (which was basically that those bots showed up in season 3 and while explicit mention is made of Megatron and Galvatron being the same person in episodes of the show, nothing is ever said about the others.


I used to be on team "Cyclonus should be Skywarp because symmetry and characterization" but that whole argument is tiring. The Universe suggestion that Galvatron is Megatron and none of the others are anyone specific is probably the neatest, most efficient, and least headache-inducing interpretation of events because it sidesteps this whole debate entirely. Cyclonus is just Cyclonus. Scourge is just Scourge, and the two seekers and the insecticons are capital-"D"-Dead and that's that.

 

They still could have been them reborn even if they did not talk about unless there is official word that says otherwise.

 

Well, technically this is true if you're from those weird parts of Georgia and the surrounding area where they call all soft drinks "coke" regardless of brand. Even Pepsi. So in that case your Pepsi was and is a coke.  

 

There are multiple versions so they could something else in another version?
Universe is just one version.

 

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

You're right in that there's no conclusive statement that they're not previously this bot or another, only implications. You could take whatever approach makes you comfortable for your fanfic or headcanon (and indeed, some official Japanese material tends to do so, though not strongly or within clearly the same g1 continuity), but from an official perspective in American g1 animation continuity, it doesnt seem explicit that they're reborn characters like galvatron (at best evidence points to bombshell's body being used for cyclonus, etc.)

Different universes means different things can happen, but it also means evidence from a different universe no longer necessarily applies. Liege Nemesis gave you a pretty thorough rundown about what we 'know' in various g1 continuities.

 

What does Japanese material say about who Cyclones was and what Japanese material says it ?

 

Ok, I'm confused now. Why ask the question if you're just going to say "well multiple versions could be true because multiverse theory?"

Suggesting that every version of events is equally valid makes asking questions about the validity of one version basically pointless.

You said that the movie's focus on bombshell means Cyclonus could be him unless official word confirms otherwise. I and others note that "official word" from the movie sources themselves suggest it's probably Bombshell but it's not definitive. And that the closest other official source (like the Universe bios) take the approach that nobody aside from Galvatron is any specific previous character to any meaningful degree. That's "official word" too given that those bios were written by the Marvel team who shaped the original toy bios and informed basically everything the franchise was built on.

Which is correct? Who knows. It likely doesn't matter because the issue is never actually relevant for story purposes. So it pretty much falls on every fan to either pick which one they like more or acknowledge that it's unimportant enough to not need to draw any conclusions.

From TFWiki (which has a whole section on Cyclonus' page addressing the question of "who is Cyclonus?":

Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity - Transformers Wiki

This is all much later than any of the stuff that was made during the character's conception around the time of the movie, so its connection to the actual story in the cartoon and movie is a lot more indirect than, say, actual movie scripts/storyboards or even the Universe profiles.

 

I speak strictly within context of what is presented - that being the movie and season 3. Because Hasbro/Takara retcons and artist intent can change on a whim, it's better to rely on the original presentation. Story boards also reveal intent but, as with many things, those aren't particularly accurate either as many things change between storyboards and the final product. If you're asking the question for some kind of fan fiction or whatever, it can be whatever you want. But if you're asking the question because you're seeking some form of resolution, then use Unicron's language as the final word on the matter, which is that Scourge and Cyclonus are "new troops" for Galvatron made from scrapped Decepticons.

 

We all know that Cyclonus was actually made from a Decepticon named Life Spark!
The Bombshell/Skywarp thing was just a cover-up to hide the truth!

 

The tfwiki is going to probably give you a more complete, faster answer to questions like these.

@Liege Nemesis correct me if I get anything wrong or miss something...

Not Japanese, but the 3H convention comics seem to clearly state skywarp became 'armada' and bombshell became cyclonus - skywarp's personality reasserted itself later on so presumably they were 'reborn' in that storyline.

Fiction for transformers: united has cyclonus and scourge captured by an entity along with rodimus and Galvatron, who messes with their reformatted nature while they're prisoner - it seems to confuse their memories and since cyclonus seems to remember Megatron, that would imply they're reborn the same way Galvatron and Rodimus were (I haven't read this fiction so I can't say what other details may be important).

Cyclonus reverted to Skywarp in comics for the Japanese Generations toyline as well.

 

Bombshell = Cyclonus
Skywarp = His Armada (that's his name)

 

Now I want a weird Japanese GI Joe rattler crossover repaint called Hissarmada.

 

I mean, they can be anything when you start adding in various "official" retcons. They can be reborn left socks in some form of canon out there.

That's why when answering this question, it's best to just roll with what was presented. New troops recycled from Decepticon husks. Unicron more or less says as much in the dialogue.

 

Takara said Skywarp became Cyclonus, which is much more definitive than I feel or I think.