Creators Vs Allspark...?

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  1. Brenttoo

    Brenttoo Well-Known Member

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    This movie personally opened up a lot of questions for me and a lot of other people, I'm sure. Yeah, it was a soft reboot, but it still holds strong to the continuity of the first three.

    My question(s) can be answered with both factual observation (things I might have missed) and/or just your opinions.

    The opening sequence: we see a group of ships piloted by pink organic beings cyber-forming prehistoric earth, and then immediately we see a... earth dinosaur skeleton thats been cyberformed with Transformium? Did I interpret that correctly? And did anyone else find that scene confusing because of how closely the skeleton resembles the dinobots?

    Also, in this movie we first hear mention of the "Creators". Do you think the Creators are meant to replace the story device of the Allspark, or simply work along with it (ie maybe the Creators 'created' the cube)?

    Did the Dinobots come from Earth, Cybertron, or some other planet along Lockdown's route?

    And most importantly, am I correct in feeling these questions went unanswered, and were they all left unanswered deliberately?
     
  2. SunSwipe5

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    The gooey aliens terra forming Earth scene was a waste, in my opinion. At first, you think it has to do with the Dinobots, when it has nothing to do with them at all. It's basically a scene showing what this seed (which didn't look like a seed in that scene) has the power to do. We didn't even know about the seed until later in the movie.

    As for the Creators and Allspark debate, to me, that was one giant clustertruck. All it did was create a lot of confusion and story conflicts.
     
  3. darklordoftech

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    Assuming that Optimus and Lockdown are reliable narrators, it is a fact that The Creators created the Allspark. In the first movie, Optimus says that it's unknown where the Allspark came from and that it created the Transformers. In AOE, Optimus and Lockdown both mention that The Creators created the Transformers. Putting this information together tells us that The Creators created the Allspark.
    The Creators and Allspark were deliberately left unanswered. We know this because the movie ends with Optimus saying about the Creators, "whoever they may be", and then going off to find them.
     
  4. Omega Charge

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    Yes, you interpreted that correctly. It was just a former living dinosaur turned to inanimate metal. You're also not the only one to find it confusing. Watching Age of Extinction for the first time expecting it to be all about Dinobots and then seeing giant metallic dinosaurs in the opening seconds, you'd think the two would be connected (on screen at least).

    Given that the film strongly ties in with the events of DOTM (which is then tied into the other two), you'd think that all previous established lore still has to exist. I think the Creators creating the Allspark is a good theory to go on for now, and one that a lot of people (those who try to make sense of the timeline at least) seem to support.

    Very little was explained about the Dinobots in the film, but it's implied (though not implicitly stated) that they were part of a group of Knights who explored the universe in the ship that Lockdown used in the film. Prime apparently recognizes/remembers the ship, so it's likely a Cybertronian vessel, making the Dinobots ancient Cybertronian explorers who were possibly lost centuries ago (since Lockdown says that's how long it took to find them all).

    Given the very open ending in the movie, you'd think that they'll answer a lot of these questions. We'll obviously find out more about the Creators, and hopefully the Dinobots as well (provided they don't mysteriously disappear between films).
     
  5. Brenttoo

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    I left the theater very frustrated because it felt like they had all the elements to make a very cool sequel; one that would decently kick off a new trilogy, but a lot of it was mishandled in a lot of very convoluted, unexpected ways.
     
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    The Dinobots came from Earth. They were built from the transformium that was harvested there. That's what the first scene is about.
     
  7. Philip164

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    Well we don't know how it works in the Movies.

    But in G1 the Quintessons created the Robots, then The Matrix/Allspark through Vector Sigma gave life. The Quintessons didn't create The Matrix/Allspark, it invaded Cybertron Judgment Day style (Terminator).

    Also, am I crazy, but that hand didn't remind me of the Quintessons, but Primcron's.
     
  8. Brenttoo

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    And I guess were left to assume they resemble earth dinosaurs for the same reason Scorponok resembles a scorpion, Ravage a jaguar, and so on?
     
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    This basically.
     
  10. Omega Charge

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    Yep. A theory going around is that the Creators basically catalogued some of the forms of the life they destroyed and designed Cybertronians based off it. This would work for the dinosaurs and scorpions, but for the jaguar it would mean they would have had to make a return visit millions of years later, when big cats had evolved (which I suppose isn't unfeasible).
     
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    Umm, no. The opening sequence just introduces us to the Creators and Transformium, I believe. Nothing involving the Dinobots.
     
  12. Toadalinakong

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    I thought when the knights explored earth long ago they scanned the terraformed dinosaurs and hence the dinobots.
     
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    Though its also possible that the creators werent finished when they terraformed all the dinosaurs
     
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    VS? Why does it need to be VS? I see it as the creators built the bodies and the, but the Allspark gave them a spark. Kinda like how the humans built the robots, but they had no soul. The Allspark would do that. The real question is did the creators make the Allspark or was it something they found and just used?
     
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    The creators appeared to be called "Widow Makers".There are concept arts for them
     
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    i was thinking that the creators probably created the allspark.
     
  17. Philip164

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    Link?
     
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    Wait, Vitaly's site didn't say the Widowmaker was just an warm-up he did before he started the concepts for the movie? How did you associate it with The Creators?
     
  19. darklordoftech

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    This is exactly what I've been trying to say. And considering that Optimus says in the beginning of TF1 that the origins of the Allspark are unknown, I think it's safe to assume that The Creators created the Allspark.
     
  20. primal789

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    Check Vitaly Bulgarov concepts on one of these threads.