So I've been trying to figure out the process of the creation of the Transformerss and this is what I've got so far for my theory/idea.


First the Seeds are detonated across populated worlds to create the necessary amounts of Transformium.

Second, they use the Allspark to "build" the raw Transformium into a Cybertronian. The Cybertronian is little more than a drone at this point.

They use the drones to build Solar Harvesters across the planets the Creators have ruined to make the raw metals, and harvest Energon from the sun to fuel the Cybertronians.

Finally, they use the Matrix to give the Cybertronians a spark, or a soul, turning them into sentient machines instead of drones.

I didn't account for the Allspark drones being feral, since we've never observed that happening anywhere but Earth, where Sector Seven reverse engineered technology from Megatron to create the modern age. I figured that Megatron's presence was still in the technology they created, on a smaller scale and less extreme like Galvatron, or perhaps the Allspark recognized a form of cybertronian tech despite it being reverse engineered, and was still able to interact with it anyway. Besides, if the Allspark ALWAYS created feral drones, the Creators would probably have not continued trying to make Transformers to begin with since they couldn't tame them enough to use the Matrix or anything without getting close and injured.

 

We can all conclude all we want but it's wasted once TF5 comes out. I stopped bothering with creation lore of the Bayformers since a bunch of kill-joys ruined it for me with their snotty devil's advocates of an attitude.

My guts however do tell me by observing the vibe between the Primes, Matrix and the All-Spark they probably have nothing to do with the Quintessons, the Seed and the Knights. The only thing that links them both is Optimus who is said to be a descendant of a Prime and a rebel of the Cybertronian Knights Order. The Creators are probably not directly associated with the creation of Cybertronian life but at one point as an older race they probably tampered them. Optimus Prime is possibly not a Native but a hybrid between Artificial Cybertronians created by the Quintessons and the Transformium Seed and a Native one descending from the Primes and All-Spark.

Jet-Fire for instance has the invoking ability of Space-bridging, the Fallen has psycho-kinetic powers and the Primes have the ability to revive Sam and the Matrix somehow whilst being dead and the probability of a Cybertronian afterlife.

- No one really knows if the Primes are able to Transform.
- The All-Spark gave the impression that it was a Primeval/Primordial object, it also knows where the Harvester and the Matrix are.

I don't take issue with the All-Spark making feral Transformers. The Seed is nothing but a mere imitation of the All-Spark in another roundabout way with the issue of mining the Transformium resources while the All-Spark is capable of conversion of Machines or Devices.

 

We don't know how Sparks are created. From the looks of it Sparks look like an organ encasing Energon.

We have to also note transformers have a means of reproduction that descendants (Jetfire and Optimus Prime) and siblings (Skids and Mudflap, 7 Primes) are possible.

Allspark Mutants while animated via the Allspark's Energon does not possess Sparks according to Robert Orci.

So we are seeing three different types of robots.

1. Molecular unstable Transformium Transformers. Which are Sparkless drones and morphing Transformers.

2. Allspark Mutants- primitive feral and Sparkless. Animated by Energon.

3. Cybertronians- Possessing self-regenerating transformium bodies, Sparks and Energon. Begins life cycle as Hatchlings and have unknown means of reproduction.

Oh on a side note the Matrix is as molecular unstable and can reform itself similar to Transformium.

 

The Matrix probably was not intended to be associated with Transformium in spite of their similarities with Transformium though. My guess is that It was inspired by the Stargate/Egyptian Plot Device vibe.

 

I think the Allspark was actually built by the Creators.
They've gathered as much Transformium as possible. Then all their knowledge was uploaded to giant Transformium Cube, which was created to mass-produce sentient robots. Those were the Primes. Notice how the Creators and Primes have similar hands with many fingers. They were like Gods creating life in their own image. Primes had to gather Energon for the Creators to fuel Cybertronians, which were built by the Creators (like Seekers and Knights). The Matrix was a key to start the Sun Harvester. It was not meant to be a "spark giving" device, because even Jetfire wasn't sure it's possible.

 

Except according to the Fallen the Allspark is energy. It cannot be destroyed only transform. Which suggest it could've transferred vessels before.

The Allspark emits Energon which gives life to Transformers. Energon has some mystery that can't be explained yet which involves 17 other dimensions.

The Allspark also sought the Matrix as a replacement vessel.

My guess the Allspark is something the Creators stumbled upon and learned to create vessels like the Matrix.

 

Are they gonna introduce the Budding from G2 next? I mean seriously it's becoming more multiple choice and confusing.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the movies, the writers are just giving several reasons hoe the Transformers were created.


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The way I see it, the Creators used Transformium seeds to create Transformers, but with this case the Transformers evolved and generated their own culture and mythology, and perhaps even their own sacred implements like the AllSpark and the Matrix...

That's the best way I can see to link the whole history together.

 

The only Cybertronians whether it be Artificial, Native, of the All-Spark or of the Seed. The only ones that showed the ability of Mass-Floating was the Artificial KSI Protoforms. Native sources of Cybertronian never once showed this. If Optimus is to be built by the Quintessons disregarding his descent from Primes mean while you attributing the creation of the Matrix to the Quintessons just because it's probably "artificial" then Optimus and Lock-down should be able to Mass-Float-Shift as the KSI did. The Matrix IMHO is a supernatural force controlled and attributed to the Primes and only the Primes, Jet-fire served the Primes and probably the Fallen and that's why he knows who designed them. The theoretical reason why KSI Protoforms mass-shift the way they do is virtually similar to the Cheese-Milk effect, only with the blending of Human and Cybertronian technology tampers it chaotically. Otherwise Cybertronians or Megatron himself would have utilized this in his army of Vehicons to which he didn't, not to mention the Creators who also didn't utilize this in their own creations.

OFF TOPIC
have you seen the Transformium ball that Joyce was playing with? It was a Dr. Dre Beats player and then suddenly an Assault rifle? Why can't Megatron utilize this ability as Galvatron? he can transform into an assault rifle as a homage to G1.

Lol, people have more fun discussing Bayformers rather than massaging the egos of G-Whiners, why can't we keep it that way everyone?

 

I'm not expecting them to reconcile all these different things at all. I expect the Allspark and a lot of the lore from the first trilogy will be swept under the carpet while they come up with whatever they want to for the next couple of movies. I've just accepted that's the way these films work.

I'd be very surprised if they do end up making a cohesive whole out it all.

 

Everyone knows that, except we just find it in our curious nerdgasm to discuss it. But you did take the words right out of everyone's mouth, they never reconcile everything let alone nod at a confirmation of co-existence of lore, not to mention observing the patterns the films tells us that.

 

It wouldn't be so much of a problem if it wasn't for the fact that the Allspark apparently gives the ability to transform regardless of what material something is made from, but other the other hand something has to be made from Transformium to be able to transform.

It's basically a direct contradiction. And of course neither gives any indication as to how a Spark is created (though given its name, the Allspark really should).

 

I'm with you on this one.

 

Its not really a whole hole. Most likely the Transformers made on Cybertron were made of this metal while the creatures created by the Allspark had some elements of transforium in their metal

 

^ Exactly.

Another example of everyone being too eager to cry "PLOT HOLE!" without really putting much thought into it.

The first film establishes that Earth's modern age of technology is almost ENTIRELY reverse engineered from Megatron.

And, surprise, surprise...hit that shit with an Allspark pulse and you've got yourself a full-blown, sentient transformer.

Go figure.

 

 

Exactly! That's why I didn't mention anything about Transformers the Allspark makes being feral, because after AOE with how we say Megatron was able to use Insecticons to "upload" his consciousness into the Galvatron body, perhaps the way Sector 7 reverse engineered the technology from his body had a similar but less potent effect, to where any Earth technology is able to be transformed and feral/evil Decepticon, but not a full blow Megatron download like Galvatron.

For all we know the Allspark makes perfectly normal Transformers under regular circumstances.

 

(Theory)
The reason why the Quintessons want Optimus is because they want him to become the new Primus of their new artificial Cybertron for their seeds, while he is built by them he has some lineage to the Native Primordial Original Primes who have after-life powers, supernatural properties and more. The Quintessons are just reacting towards the destruction of Cybertron in DoTM.

EDIT
The reason why I say Optimus is a hybrid is because even though he is a descendant of the Primes according to his ancestors the Primes in Sam's after-life, he lacks their God-Like abilities. On the other hand Lock-down says that he is "built" instead of born. My take is that Optimus is just a hybrid.

 

I believe Lockdown is referring to the to the whole Transformer race. We know they reproduce creating Hatchlings. Hatclings are gestated in energon hence born. But is can also be said they are built as we've seen within the Nemesis they can be massed produced.

Optimus considers his spark a soul while Cade thought it was a power source.

Transformers believe the Allspark created them. The Creator created the raw metal they are made from.

Since Jetfire is dead I guess out resident Atheist now is Lockdown.

 

I think that Creators and Allspark are different sides of this story. I think that Creators didn't want to "create" Cybertronians as sentient beings with a soul because now they possibly have many problems due to them so they even pay Lockdown for "restoring world's balance". Maybe Cybertronians appears due to bad experiment with the power of Allspark, then made a rebellion and got freedom under the leadership of the Firsts Primes. I think also that Lockdown isn't Cybertronian, he's probably the ideal worker for Creators - no rebellion, no big independent activity, but persistent commodity-market relations with everyone. This may explain his unusual appearance (as well as all of his troops on the ship), maybe he was created similar to people. It's interesting, does he have spark?

 

Lockdown is dead too lol.