Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Chopperface, Dec 19, 2010.
Hope the quality of the movie can match the quality of the VA selection.
Dreamworks animated movies with top-billed celebrity voice actors, celebrity guest stars on the Simpsons. There are of course various exceptions, but I generally think it's more of a specialised skill. Like singing or dancing. An actor can often do a perfectly adequate job. But a professional can do so much more.
You can tell Burton can't stand Michael Bay.
Ra's Al-Ghul as Shockwave?? Awesome.
David Warner has one of my favorite all time voices. I just don't want him to take the job if he's going to have 2 or 3 words in the film. It's to early to say how many lines Shock will have, but I hope they're at least memorable.
Personally, I was hoping that we got David Warner, instead of Corey Burton.
Don't get me wrong, Burton's awesome. But, I've been itching to hear what the guy he based his voice off of would do with the character.
If plans with Warner fall through, then my next recommendation would be Alan Rickman. He would be a phenomenal Shockwave.
I couldn't... None of what he said really came off as "Anti-Bay".
yeah, he's very professional about stuff like this.
And none of those prove your point.
Screen actors are almost always better at voice acting than the so-called professionals, because they understand the nuance better instead of just the vocal inflection.
Don't forget, he was Federation Ambassador St. John Talbot in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier AND Klingon Chancellor Gorkon in both Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and the video game Klingon Academy.
Oh, and Gul Madred in the Star Trek: The Next Generation two-parter episode "Chain of Command."
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.
well that's your view and you're entitled to it.
A good voice actor can create a whole character with just their voice. Really bring it to life and give it a sense of identity. In my experience the people that make a living in this specialised niche tend to be better at it than big name stars whose appeal owes more to their physical on-screen presence. You see a really good voice actor in recording session, and it's almost like they're channelling the voice. You see a big hollywood star, and they're making a lot of hand gestures and facial expressions, but the voice itself is nothing special.
Like I said, there's exceptions, and David Warner has a fine voice and a solid history of voicework. They'll be lucky if they get someone of his calibre.
The industry disagrees with you. And it's because you're wrong.
Actually, he's not. A good voice actor can put a lot more than just vocal inflections into the voice. Your run of the mill film/TV actor does not care or know how to compartmentalize the voice from the rest of the body. It's obvious that the vast majority of screen actors these days have not had a voice/speech class in their life.
Well in the case of a studio like Dreamworks, it has more to do with the bankability of using well-known actors, and the fact that they can do all the talk-shows and attract interest that way. So they'll get someone like Bruce Willis voicing a racoon.
I'm beyond okay with Warner as Shockwave instead of Burton. I can't imagine a more perfect replacement than the very man's voice that inspired Shockwave's voice to begin with. Having watched the original Tron movie in preparation for Tron: Legacy not even a week ago, I'd forgotten just how insanely cool Warner's voice is.
I liked him in tron, so he seems like a good voice
Warners finest role - Evil!
What? You didn't hear all those gurgling noises he made? Those are hard to pull to pull off.
That's really disappointing. Burton would make an awesome Shockwave, it's a shame that he's not going to do it.
Wow. Just wow. You sound so much like a studio executive it's scary. And you're offending professional voice actors making a statement like that. You can't assume that just because an actor is on-camera it automatically makes them understand voice acting better, or somehow makes them a better actor. Even Variety.com acknowledged this in an article earlier this year:
Variety: Hollywood Actors Face ‘Special Challenges’ in Voice Acting
There are big differences between acting for on-camera, voice acting, and acting for the stage.
I completely back Bumblethumper's opinion, and so do a host of other professional voice actors.
And you want examples? I'll give you examples.
In his voiceover workshops, Bob Bergen, current voice of Porky Pig, gives an example of an "A-List celebrity" (whom a major studio was considering for one of their animated feature films) trying to run around in the recording studio to show that his character was running. The directors and engineers in the sound room just looked on stupefied. They told him that wasn't necessary and he needed to stay on the microphone. The actor replied that he couldn't do that -- he needed to physically run to show that his character was running.
One of animation's top voice directors, Andrea Romano, gives an example on the behind-the-scenes documentary included on "Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths" of Billy Baldwin recording as Batman. He was physically hitting himself in the studio to make the sound of Batman fighting and being hit. Romano told him that he didn't have to hurt himself, just imagine the scenario and make vocalizations accordingly. But Baldwin was such a "method actor" that he didn't know any other way to express it through his voice without the physicality.
And here are some examples of poor voice acting by celebrities:
Brad Pitt - Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas
Billy Bob Thonrton - Princess Mononoke
Alyssa Milano - Ghostbusters: The Video Game
Dan Aykroyd - Yogi Bear
Justin Timberlake - Yogi Bear
Chris Rock - Osmosis Jones, Madagascar 1 & 2
Will Smith - Shark Tale
Tobey Maguire - Spider-Man 2 video game
Cameron Diaz, Lucy Liu, and Drew Barrymore - Charlie's Angels video game
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No, the industry does not agree with you. Your statement is an uninformed and a naive one.
You see, the industry doesn't care what kind of performance a celebrity gives as a voice actor. They cast based on what's called a Q-Score or Q-Rating. There have been several animated feature films in the last few years (and some upcoming ones) where they first cast the celebrity voices and then made the film around them -- some of the films didn't even have a script, just a pitch.
This has given rise to the term "celebrity stunt casting", particularly when it comes to animation voiceovers, and not just in film but on TV as well. The industry has resorted to this in attempt to lure in viewers and bring masses to the box office.
And being that several animated feature films have been bombs at the box office in the last decade, it proves that celebrity voices don't automatically equal box office success.
As Bumblethumper said, there are occasions where celebrities have given fine voice-only performances. I'll freely admit that. The Toy Story Trilogy is a perfect example, but those films are also from Pixar who is the only studio who isn't currently preoccupied with casting only celebrity voices. "Up" had a complete unknown and a first time voice actor in one of the lead roles, and Ed Asner isn't exactly a "high profile" box office draw either.
"Ratatouille" also wasn't really cast with celebrity voices in mind. As Pixar CEO John Lasseter has stated in interviews, it's the actor that best fits the character and gives the best performance.
But you simply cannot make a legitimate case that someone like George Clooney is better actor than someone like Frank Welker, Corey Burton or Kevin Conroy just on the grounds that he's a screen actor. That doesn't even make sense to me. Even Clooney acknowledged in interviews from his role in the stop-motion animated "Fantastic Mr. Fox" that voice acting is very different from on-camera acting. Clooney's good at what he does just as pro voice actors are good at what they do. (And y'know, if it hadn't been for the fans, there's a very good chance we would have heard someone like Clooney or Jon Hamm voicing Optimus Prime in the Bay TF trilogy if Bay hadn't given in to popular demand. You can bet that Paramount wanted a celebrity in that role.)
And I'll grant that if the roles were reversed, pro voice actors might not fare so well as on-camera talent. From personal experience, it's difficult to change between on-camera and voice acting. I had a industrial shoot this past Monday where the first two takes I did the director asked me to speak up. I'd been doing a lot of work with live shows and VO for an animated pilot, and had to get myself out of that mindset and comfort zone of having a mic right in front of me.
And there are plenty of celebrities who would have given better voice performances if they had been coached by a pro or taken a workshop from someone like Pat Fraley or Bob Bergen. There are even techniques for using the mic in voice acting that can enhance your performance, but without them having the training or experience you can't argue that a non-voice actor celebrity-type is going to know that and take advantage of it. Screen actors often don't have the tools or the training to be good voice-only performers. Heck, some of them can't even get past not having another actor across from them to act/react to. Voice acting requires a great deal of imagination -- it's often just you in there with the mic -- you're basically acting to yourself, and your movement is restricted because that mic is so sensitive that it will pick up every little movement you make. Proper coaching and training really is an essential element for being successful as a voice actor.
Case in point: Dan Aykroyd in "Yogi Bear," who refused coaching on how to perform Daws Butler's Yogi character from pro voice actors who had studied with Daws. As other critics have pointed out, Aykroyd's Yogi sounds like Rodney Dangerfield trying to do a Yogi impression. And Justin Timberlake's Boo Boo sounds okay at first and isn't a half-bad impression. However, because he's not an experienced voice actor, the voice acting itself is lacking because he has difficulty sustaining the imitation and acting at the same time.
And oh god, how can I forget Megan Fox in the Transformers video game. I still can't believe she won an award for it from SpikeTV. She and Shia both sucked as voice actors in that game.
Here's a media article published Dec. 19th on this very subject -- scroll down after clicking the link:
And this op-ed piece is from an entertainment reporter who criticizes animated performances by Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt and Justin Timberlake.
So, yeah, the industry doesn't agree with you that screen actors make better voice actors. There have been times when stand-ins for screen actors could give better performances.
saw the same thing on bays site.. i hope corey woulda been shockwave and not david if he is hope he does a good job
For some odd reason, I'm getting the impression that Voiceroy is really serious about voice-acting... >_>
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