Continuity Headache

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  1. SaberPrime

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    I haven't been this confused about continuity since I was trying to figure out how RID fit with G1 before I realized that it doesn't.

    There's no doubt that RID2 is a sequel to Prime. It directly follows events that happened in that series. There's a few minor continuity errors though. Bumblebee actually addresses the fact that Starscream's design has changed and they show his Prime design in a flash back. Soundwave makes an appearance in the show looking exactly like he did in Prime. However no one makes any mention of the fact that Optimus and Bumblebee have upgraded bodies. In fact in one episode they show a video of Bumblebee from the past where he should like he does in Prime but for some reason looks like his current form.

    Rescue Bots on the other hand I never believed was connected because Optimus and Bumblebee again have completely different designs and with it supposedly taking place at the same time it really makes no sense. This is especially true with Optimus who in Prime/RID has had three different bodies none of which look anything like his RB design while in RB he's maintained the same form threw all four seasons. Prime season 3 and Robots in Disguise never make any mention of Optimus being able to transform into a T-Rex which in Rescue Bots by this time he has that capability. So how are Optimus and Bumblebee changing bodies, especially considering there are several times when Optimus would be switching to a flat front truck just to answer a phone call and then have to switch back to a long nose. What is even the point of that?

    Sideswipe and the little Cyclone Mini-con on the other hand did appear on Rescue Bots looking exactly like they do in RID. During Prime RB never made any direct references to anything in Prime. Optimus says something about his medic but never names who that is. I'm not sure how we went from no references to any other show to having guest stars from characters in another show.

    With that being said, even though they've made it perfectly clear that Rescue Bots season 4 and RID are happening at the same time there are still a few problems other than Optimus and Bumblebee looking different.

    1. If each season of RB directly corresponds with a season of the main show that would mean that season 4 happens during a time when Optimus Prime is dead yet he's still very much alive.

    2. Bumblebee has his own space ship on RB which is weird because that ship is never seen on RID.

    3. Sideswipe in RB is freaked out by humans which is weird because he was never like that on RID and even if he was he should be use to them by now.

    4. The first time they run into Cyclone Mini-cons is in a later season which should take place after RB so the timing doesn't really match up.

    In short these shows fit together about as well as the Unicron Trilogy. Which is weird. The UT doesn't quite fit because of terrible dubbing and the fact that Hasbro tried to cram in a series that was never intended to fit into the same continuity. This shows were planned to fit together from the start and yet they still don't work.

    I think the issue here is that Hasbro handed everyone a continuity bible but instead of enforcing that as a strict, this is how everything should connect, it's more of a suggestion than a rule. The different teams have far too much freedom to do their own thing and so we end up with things that share similar stories but aren't exactly the same story.

    It's kind of like making a puzzle. If you start with the picture first and then cut the pieces you'll get a puzzle that actually fits together perfectly but instead Hasbro decided to cut the pieces then give each piece to a different person to paint on the different sections of the picture. As a result when you put the pieces together you get what is generally all one picture but the lines are all skewed a little and don't exactly fit quite right. I suppose it's better than taking a piece from an entirely different puzzle and trying to force it in there but it's still not good.

    My personal head canon is that RB is it's own universe. Some similar events to Prime/RID have happened with some differences. This would explain why Optimus is a flat nose, never upgrades, and why the Prime/RID version isn't a T-Rex. The events that lead to Optimus' upgrade to his Beast Hunters body never happened or happened differently in the RB universe, his death at the end of Prime never happened in the RB universe. Optimus never became a Dinobot in the Prime/RID universe.

    I think in the RB universe Bumblebee, Sideswipe, and Strongarm originally came to Earth on board Bumblebee's ship rather than the space bridge like they did on RID. I also think in the RB universe Sideswipe has never met a human before Griffin Rock. They are still based in the same scrap yard but for whatever reason the scrapyard in the RB universe does not have Denny and Russell Clay. Maybe they never existed, maybe they sold the place before they would of met the Autobots, maybe they do exist but never lived there. Whatever the reason is, I think the Bee Team in RB is based in an abandoned scrap yard rather than a working one which would explain why Sideswipe acts like he's never seen humans before. That plus they met the cyclones a little earlier than they did on RID.

    That's how I'm working it out in my head cannon anyway, they're similar universes but not exactly the same because that's the only way I can explain away the continuity errors without getting a headache.

    I think I'm just going to put Prime and RID into separate but similar universes as well.

    Oh another problem is the timing. It's never really said exactly how far in the future RID is from Prime. RB season 4 however we know is exactly three years after season 3. So considering how active Cybertron is at the start of RID compared to how dead it was at the end of Prime it's hard to believe that much has changed in only three years. The RB are told that Cybertron is uninhabitable at the start of the series but they are never informed about it being revived which makes me think that never happened in the RB universe. And considering how they've managed to rebuild Cybertron so quickly I also think more than three years passed between Prime and RID. Either that or it was revived much earlier again leading to a continuity error that doesn't quite line up with Prime.
     
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    IMO, the differences in designs are more artistic license than anything else. It's like asking why in Prime the universe looks like CGI, while in RID it looks like cell animations and paintings. Sure, it's not exactly the same situation, but the characters looking different doesn't really effect much. Well, aside from Optimus having a dino mode, but I don't think that one continuity error is any worse than RID's version of the Team Prime's season three base having defenses that clearly didn't exist in TFP. Same goes with Swipe's behavior around humans. There's always some continuity errors, even within the same show. I mean, characters in Prime changed power levels all the time, and they gave two conflicting backstories to the war. The Cyclone Minicons, however, aren't an error. They first showed up in shorts that took place during season one, as shown by Fracture and his Minicons turning up. As for Bee having a ship... Well, we don't know that he doesn't have a ship, right?

    Cybertron's quick reconstruction is explained by the Autobots seizing the Omega Lock at the end of Prime season three, and its population is explained by Optimus returning the Allspark to Cybertron at the end of Predacons Rising. Sure, the Lock was attached to the Nemesis, which crashed, but I'm sure they would've been able to repair it quickly, considering how quickly the 'Cons did it. The 'Bots were shown as having Vehicon slave labor in the movie, and I'm sure Shockwave would've helped with the science, putting aside factions for the good of Cybertron. He did, after all, convince the Preds to help the 'Bots stop Unicron.

    As for why RB never had any direct references to Prime? Well, in the real world, that's likely due to the very different age groups the shows are aimed at. I doubt anyone wanted the 3-5 year olds who watch RB deciding to try watching a show that was trying its hardest to be dark and gritty. RID, however, is much closer to RB's tone. As for an in-universe explanation, a 'Con only turned up on Griffin Rock due to there being hundreds scattered all over Earth, after the Alchemor crashing. One was bound to show up there. During TFP, however, most of the 'Cons were operating under Megatron's command, and rarely went anywhere without orders to do so. And since no 'Cons ever showed up on the Island during TFP, there was no need for any Autobots to go there, especially since the town didn't know about the 'Bots being living aliens, and more of them risks blowing their cover. Sure, that never stopped a Rescue Bot appearing in TFP, like Blurr's upcoming appearance in RID, but it makes sense a Rescue Bot never appeared in TFP, considering Optimus has been actively keeping them away from the war. Now that it's over, and the conflicts are more minor, it (theoretically) would be safer for a Rescue Bot to join the main 'Bots on Earth.
     
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    I think its pretty clear Rescue Bots and Prime aren't really connected. Just like Prime isn't really connected to The War For Cybertron games, even if they say it is.

    I havent watched too much of RiD'15, but the little that I have seen I didn't like. The animation is a complete downgrade from the beautiful 3D animation Prime had, as is the writing. I don't know how well RiD'15 ties into Prime these days, but the few episodes I've watched it seemed to have very little in common with Prime other than Will Friedle as Bumblebee and Optimus being dead, but he came back later anyway. Even the tone of the series different.

    I know as of recently Starscream is back, and Ratchet has made an appearance, as has Soundwave. But what about Arcee, Bulkhead and the rest of Team Prime? How did Starscream manage to escape from the Predacons, and is Knock Out still an Autobot? Where are Shockwave and Arachnid? Where are the Predacons? Where is Megatron, and are his views on oppression still the same? Do they ever go into these details? Thats all I really wanna know.

    For a series thats supposed to be a sequel to the last, it does very little to tie them together.
     
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    well when the show was announced they said that Season 1 would be its own thing, but if the show got more seasons, thats when they would tie more with Prime, i havent seen either prime or rid or rb, so i cant say if they kept up to their word. (aside of ratchet, soundwave and scream returning)
     
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    Yeah, differences in character design aren't "continuity errors", it's just artistic license.

    A good example is Prime's flashback sequences, where they recap the events of War for Cybertron, but everyone has Cybertronian designs in the Prime aesthetic, rather than the games' chunky G1 aesthetic.

    If you watch the episodes, yes, there's a flashback sequence (done in the 'painted motion comic' style of Prime's flashbacks, even!) explaining how that went down.
     
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    I loved that flashback, very cute.
     
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    I thought that continuity bible only provided backstorys and the problem was a lack of interaction between the teams.
     
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    That's not the same thing at all. If you notice I made a point to mention how Soundwave has the exact same design in RID as he did in Prime... although they are apparently making a new RID Soundwave toy with a new design but that's not how he appeared in the cartoon. Maybe he'll appear again with that body, we don't know yet but as of now Soundwave looks identical in RID to his Prime design.

    I also made a note to mention how Sideswipe and the Cyclone Mini-con share the same designs in Rescue Bots that they have in RID.

    The difference in the characters designs has nothing to do with the difference in animation style. The animation styles between G1 and Rescue Bots is different but the design of Optimus, when he has his mouth plate on since G1 never took it off, is the same. The designs between RB and Prime are completely different. That's not just a change in animation style. Animation style doesn't make a long nose truck turn into a flat front. Animation style doesn't make three entirely different truck modes look identical to each other. Animation style doesn't change the placement of the tires on Bumblebee's shoulders. It doesn't add or take away details. All a different animation style does is change how a design is animated, not the actual design itself.

    "Well, aside from Optimus having a dino mode, but I don't think that one continuity error is any worse than RID's version of the Team Prime's season three base having defenses that clearly didn't exist in TFP.[/quote]

    How did the defenses clearly not exist? Their base was never infiltrated in Prime. It seems reasonable that the defenses did exist but since no Decepticon ever invaded their base there was never a reason to bring it up. Plus it would be stupid to think their based wasn't defended. Who is going to be stupid enough not to defend their own base against possible enemy intruders? It's not really something you need to bring up to know it exists because it's just a smart thing to do.

    What conflicting back stories?

    Fracture's Mini-cons are Torpedoes not Cyclones. The Cyclone Mini-cons first showed up in season 2 with Overload. Plus everything already knew what Mini-cons where when Fracture showed up. The reason the Cyclone kind is an error is because when they first showed up they were a style of Mini-con the Autobots had never encountered before. It's kind of weird for them to be confused about what a Cyclone is if Sideswipe captured one on Griffon Rock prior to their original introduction in RID.

    We do know that he doesn't have a ship because he came back to Earth via Space Bridge. How could he have a ship if he's never had access to one. Unless you count the Alchemor but that's a much larger none functioning ship than the one he had in Rescue Bots.

    That explains nothing. Remember at the start of Predacon's Rising they showed the Autobots still trying to rebuild Cybertron. The Omega Lock didn't rebuild their ruined cities it just made the planet inhabitable again. The reconstruction of the cities they had to do on their own. And Optimus did send word out that Cybertronians could return to the planet but it would take some time for them to receive the message and come back. There were supposedly Autobots spread all over the universe but Team Prime were the first ones to go back.

    Anyway considering how the planet was in total ruins at the end of Prime, I think it is possible that the population could have gotten that big in only 3 years, but I don't believe they could of rebuilt the cities like new in only three years. The way Cybertron looks I would think at least ten years or more have passed between Prime and RID. There's no way they cleaned all that mess up in only three years.

    Now I'll grant you we really didn't get a good look at the whole planet. Maybe it's only that one city that they have up and running again. For all we know the rest of the planet still looks like crap. Considering it has only been three years, I could totally believe that they rebuilt everything in that time... if's it's just that city. But aside from what we see we also never hear about any other construction going on outside of that. From what I can tell, Cybertron went from rust to shine far quicker than it should have.

    Not exactly... RB has said from the beginning that the Decepticons would never appear as villains on the show. We did get a Cyclone Mini-con and the Morbots but they're technically not Decepticons. The Morbots are human built Transformers and Cyclones are unaligned Mini-cons.

    They have however mentioned the existence of Decepticons. Again not directly because they don't want a show targeted at kids under the age of 4 to turn into a war cartoon. They have indirectly made references to the Decepticons without outright saying it. The parents watching along might get the references but they aren't going to mean anything to the kids watching.

    That being said, this doesn't explain why Optimus couldn't make a direct reference to Ratchet rather than saying "our medic". Personally I think this was done because at the time Hasbro did have Medix the Doc-Bot in the Rescue Bots toy line. I think they were hoping kids would just assume that the medic Optimus was referring to was Medix rather than Ratchet and then want to buy his toy. It's also possible that at some point Hasbro had considered actually having Medix appear in the cartoon and wanted to leave that window open to introduce him that way rather than just out right saying the medic is Ratchet. They are a toy company after all and if they have to leave out Ratchet's name in order to sell Medix toys they will.

    Although having said that I don't know why they didn't just call him Ratchet in the toy line instead of making a whole new character. But yeah I think fans of Prime are going to assume Optimus was talking about Ratchet while the little kids are going to assume Optimus was talking about Medix. And if Rescue Bots keeps going there's still and chance Medix and Hoist could show up at some point. They both have more recent toys with slightly different head sculpts coming out. Kind of like how the other Rescue Bots first wave of toys had different head sculpts from the cartoon. So the toy line seems to be hinting that we will see these characters in the show at some point.

    Blurr does have a RID toy coming out but that doesn't mean he will show up in the cartoon. I know I just got done saying how Medix and Hoist could show up in Rescue Bots because of their toys but there's a big difference between saying they MIGHT show up and they WILL show up.

    If Blurr did show up on RID that would cause another continuity error. The episode Sideswipe appears on RB they had a whole thing about Blurr not fitting in as a Rescue Bot and wanting to join Bumblebee's team. By the end of the episode Blurr is offered a position to join the Bee team but because Sideswipe pointed out that he saved some humans Blurr realized he is a Rescue Bot after all and turns it down. Blurr suddenly showing up in RID after turning down his opportunity to join them wouldn't make any sense.

    They could still have him guest star as long as they don't back track on that episode by making him a permanent member of the Bee team. However considering his design for the toy has a normal Autobot insignia rather than a Rescuse Bots insignia it would suggest that it's going to contradict the RB cartoon if he shows in on RID. And Rescue Bots has made a big deal about how the Rescue Bots have unique insignias so again, that's not just a different animation style. Optimus, Bumblebee, and Sideswipe all have normal Autobot insignias. Blurr actually had a normal Autobot insignia when he first appeared on the show but Optimus later changed it when he made him and Salvage official Rescue Bots. (Salvage previously had a recycle logo on his chest before it was changed to the Rescue Bots insignia.) Optimus and Sideswipe have also both made direct reference to the Rescue Bots insignia. So considering how they've made a big deal about it on the show it would be weird for Blurr to show up in RID without wearing that insignia.

    Well except for the fact that they totally ignore the different body styles of Optimus and Bumblebee RID fits into Prime a lot better than any of the other stuff that's suppose to be in the aligned continuity.

    As I said in my first post, Soundwave looks identical in RID to his Prime appearance. The episode he appears in the way he comes back is they accidentally freed him from the Shadow Zone which is where he was trapped at the end of Prime. They made direct reference to the events of Prime, an actual attempt to connect the two shows.

    With Starscream, they also show flash backs again making direct reference to the last time he was seen in Prime. They show him in his Prime body and even make a direct reference to him looking different now.

    They also visit the Autobot's base from Prime... which for some reason has a video of Bumblebee looking like he does now instead of how he did then but that's really the only continuity error.

    It's not prefect but RID is at least trying to be a sequel to Prime. It's not just the show's producers saying it's the same universe and then doing nothing to actually show it's the same universe. I much prefer seeing the connections than just being told it's connected from behind the scenes while the product says otherwise.

    That's actually explained in RID... I don't think you want to hear it though. I'll put it in spoiler tags if you really want to know but I'm warning you, you won't like it.
    Basically Starscream ran like a coward from the Predacons, then got lucky stumbling over some old security systems which missed him and killed the Predacons. I really liked the Predacons, especially Predaking and hoped they would return. They even fit the animal theme of the show. But that kind of ruins any chance of ever seeing them again. Also considering how powerful they were I can't believe they died in the stupidest way possible. I warned you.

    You admit that you haven't even seen most of the series so you really can't make this claim. And as someone who has seen the entire series, RID actually does A LOT to tie them together.

    On the other hand considering WfC/FoC and Rescue Bots are also suppose to fit into the same universe, they're doing very little to make RB fit and nothing at all to make the video games fit.

    I feel like you're trying to correct me but you just repeated back to me what I already said in the first place. You condensed it into a single sentence but we're both essentially saying the same exact thing.
     
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    I didn't say it's the same thing, I said it's similar. Different shows having different interpretations for a characters' look isn't really that different than having a different animation style. In the end, it causes two different looks, but nothing else. It's just a choice to have things look slightly differently. Sure, RID referencing Screamer's change in appearance does create precedent for acknowledging design changes, but that was a major change, that turned a skinny and weak character into a big and strong one. Besides, RID's first episode had an Optimus statue using his RID design, despite the fact nobody on Cybertron had seen it.

    Except they were attacked. Starscream and his Seeker Aramda attacked in Minus One, or the episode after, and the 'Bots tricked Screamer into blowing up the wrong hanger. If they had a powerful force field, one that contained Paralon's bomb, that would make the subterfuge rather pointless.

    In Darkness Rising, Optimus claims Megatron fought alongside him, before turning to the Decepticons. Then in One Shall Fall, Ratchet claims Orion Pax was just a Data Clerk (or whatever they called him in this continuity) before he became Prime, which drove Megatron away, leaving no room for them to fight alongside each other.

    No, I'm saying their appearance, alongside Fracture, proves the shorts took place during season one, but they also included the two Cyclones that appeared in Overloaded. Watch the shorts "Knock, Knock" onward.

    Well, I wasn't being entirely serious there, I meant we don't know that he hasn't gained a ship since then, that we simply never saw (much like those base defenses in Prime).

    Yet Megatron is clearly shown using the Omega Lock to rebuild a tower in an instant, and even create one from scratch, at the end of season two. I guess the 'Bots just forgot. Or maybe they ran out of Cybermatter, which Shockwave could've offered up the formula for. Or, considering Ratchet helped work on that formula, so probably would've been able to do it himself, TF Prime couldn't even keep its own continuity straight.

    They were hardly going to make a direct reference to a character who would never show up in the show.

    While not guaranteed, it is more likely than not. So far, there haven't been any characters who've gotten toys who haven't appeared in the show.

    This I can agree with, for the most part.
     
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    Wow that is lame. I would have honestly preferred if the Predacons had killed Starscream. He would have had it coming.

    Perhaps it is a bit unfair for me to criticize the shows continuity when I have seen so very little of it. I've only seen about half of the first season, but the show just doesn't interest me enough for me to pick it back up. I've tried to watch it when ever I catch it on CN on the weekends, but I just can't get into it. I'd probably try it out again if they brought back Team Prime, and at least showed us what Megatron is doing these days, but I don't think the show will ever get the chance. As far as I know, not even Jack, Miko, Raph, or Fowler have been mentioned in this show.
     
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    Killing Starscream would anger a lot of fans.

    Also Jack, Miko and Raf were mentioned in one of the season 2 episodes, but that's about it.
     
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    The two aren't similar at all. It's completely different.

    Normally a character has a different look because of an upgrade done to the character. It's actually part of the continuity of that universe for characters to get different bodies some times. For a show to pretend this is how a character has always looked when it's clearly an entirely different design from another show totally ignoring the new body, that's a continuity error.

    The art style isn't part of that universe and really doesn't change the look of the character. G1 Optimus Prime has been done is multiple different art styles but they all still clearly share the same design. Unless the character has the ability to break the fourth wall they shouldn't notice that change because to them the change in the look of the character doesn't exist.

    Also about the statue... it seems kind of weird that they built it at all considering we find out later in the series that most of the people on Cybertron now blame Optimus for causing the war in the first place. If they hate him why did they build a statue in his honor?

    That force field wasn't big enough to cover the entire base. The Autobots had to huddle together just to fit inside of it. It was really only designed to comfortably hold one Cybertronian at a time. They couldn't have used it to protect the base in Prime.

    There's plenty of room for them to fight along side each other. Remember Megatron was a gladiator before the war and with Optimus being his friend at the time it's possible Optimus participated in some of those fights with Megatron. It seems even more likely when you consider the fact that Orion had to learn how to fight some how. Why would they make a desk clerk who had never been in a fight the leader of the Autobots during a war? It kind of makes sense that during his free time with Megatron he might participate in a few gladiator matches.

    The shorts you're referring to are technically between the first two seasons. It's meant to bridge the gap between them since the show was on hiatus for such a long time. It's possible Fracture simple escaped Stasis before the short so him being there doesn't really prove anything. Anyway, saying that the Cyclones where along side Fracture made it sound like you were talking about his Mini-cons being the Cyclones which they are not. You could of made that more clear.

    The base defenses make sense to just assume they existed even if we never saw or heard about them because again it would be stupid not to have them. The ship however, considering we know he came to Earth via space bridge, there's no way he could of gotten a ship after that, and he really doesn't even need a ship, so why would he have a secret ship that we don't know about?

    They clearly ran out of Cybermatter at the end of season 3 plus as was already pointed out the Nemesis crash landed on Cybertron destroying the Omega Lock in the process. It's one thing to build one single tower, another thing to rebuild and entire freaking planet.

    Freaking Sideswipe showed up in Rescue Bots. I never expected him to show up, there isn't even a RB toy of that character. If he can show up why couldn't Ratchet show up at some point? Technically considering there is an ambulance in the RB toy line it's actually more likely for Ratchet to show up at some point than any other character. Considering Medix has never been on the show they don't even necessarily have to repaint him, they could just repurpose that figure as Ratchet. The target audience is too young to know how to read, they won't notice if he has a different name in the toy line than on the show. Plus again, I still don't know why they didn't releases that figure as Ratchet in the first place.

    Plus Prime has made multiple direct references to characters who would never appear on the show. Remember how Wheeljack lists off a bunch of dead Wreckers to Bulkhead. Just because a character will never show up doesn't mean they can't use the name.

    Ultra Magnus and a tone of Mini-cons are in the toy line but have never appeared on the cartoon. It seems a lot more likely for characters to appear who aren't Mini-cons because they're mostly just a gimmick to sell the Deployers. But there are plenty of characters who have toys and aren't in the cartoon.

    I have of course left out figures from future waves but Ultra Magnus was in an early wave of the toy line. And considering he is just a white repaint of Optimus Prime I highly doubt he will ever appear in the cartoon. If he does I'm thinking it's going to be like Prime where the first toy we saw ended up not even being his actual animation design. And then later we got a different Ultra Magnus toy that was based on the animation model after he showed up in the cartoon.
     
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    NOT killing starscream would anger a lot of fans!
    It was a cheap cop out having him escape the Predacons and Darksteel and Skylynx getting killed in that explosion is just not credible and is completely inexusable.
     
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    C'mon, if anyone deserved to die in this series it was Starscream. The fact that Megatron chose to kill Dreadwing over Scream, was BS in itself. If not by Megatron, he should have been killed by the Predacons. He treated them like trash, and I so wanted Predaking to get his revenge. Even Shockwave had a perfectably viable reason to kill his ass. The fact that Starscream survived in such a cheap manner is aggrevating.
     
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    Well I gess Prime uses designs from the Prime-toyline, RiD uses designs from the Rid-toyline and RB uses designs from the RB-toyline. Soundwave, Sideswipe and the Cyclones didn´t have toys from the show they visited so they had to use what they had. RiD Starscream looked to different from Prime so they had to explain that. Bee is in all three an yellow car with black stripes so thats close enough to be the same character, I gess. I´m sure if Soundwave get´s his new body in show they gonne explain it since they allready introduced him with a different design.

    So Fracture escaped Stasis offscreen, went back to working for Steeljaw and got captured again offscreen?

    Didn´t Megatron start the war when Orion became a Prime?

    Maybe that was befor the Council started to dislike Optimus.

    Sorry, I thought you meant that the continuity bible was suposed to tell them how the story should go. I gess I miss read that.
     
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    They just reused some old Prime CGI models to save money. Since it's supposedly in the Prime universe, they have an in-universe excuse to get away with it.
    You'll notice old Prime models standing in as extras in the background, as well- vehicons, you even see a few Airachnid models used.

    As for an in-universe explanation....have fun making up some head cannon lol


    Back when Prime was airing, RB had Bee appear for a few episodes as a member of Team Prime who had snuck away from the mainland, and Heatwave was later offered a position with Team Prime by Optimus, which he turned down. They firmly established that Team Prime was on the mainland as the 'elites", while the Rescue Bots were stationed on the island.

    it's not perfect, but RB sure did more work connecting the two than either Prime or RID15 ever did connecting themselves back to RB. Course, the writing for RB is so good that doesn't surprise me.
     
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    Actually the Rescue Bots have been mentioned in RID but never in Prime. When Bumblebee was trying out battle crys, there was an episode he said Roll to the Rescue and then corrected himself saying "Someone else is already using that one." which is an obvious reference to Heatwave's battle cry on Rescue Bots. It's not much but it's more than Prime ever did.
     
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    Like LynKey and EnergonWaffles said, all the model reuses are just done to save money, and all the new ones are done to sell toys. With the exception of Optimus' dino mode, which I acknowledge is a problem, OP and Bee's RB designs don't do anything to really change the nature of the characters. Whenever design changes are acknowledged, it's usually when those changes serve a purpose. I just write the RB designs off as artistic license. I know I can't tell you to do the same, but I honestly don't see the big problem.


    It didn't need to cover the whole thing, just the center, where Screamer' missiles would be fired towards. Plus, if they had drones, why did they send human piloted jets to take on Decepticons? Optimus had outright said he didn't want the human military involved in the Cybertronian war.

    Optimus pretty clearly implied that they fought alongside each other during the war. Just listen to what he says in Darkness Rising.

    When those two Cyclones first appeared in Overloaded, they escaped from Stasis Pods during the battle with Overload, so clearly they had already been captured.

    Yeah, OK, the ship is unlikely.

    Like I said, there's not really anything stopping them from rebuilding the Lock, and making more Cybermatter. If the 'Cons did it, why couldn't the 'Bots? Shockwave would be willing to help for the sake of Cybertron, as he did with the Predacons at the end of the movie, and the 'Bots now have their own Vehicon slaves to help with the work.

    Medix was separate from Ratchet because pretty much every Rescue Bot is a new character. It's what makes the show feel so fresh, compared to the rest of the Aligned Continuity Family. As for why neither he, nor Ratchet ever turned up in the show, I guess there was never that big a reason for them.

    And most fans hated that. It's just teasing things we'll never see.

    Right, I forgot about Magnus, however, he was just a repaint. Blurr has an entirely new Warrior Class mold. They don't make many of those, so I doubt Hasbro would make one without having it be featured in the show.
     
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    They don't always serve a purpose. Some times the characters change designs for no good reason. The Elite Guard in Animated scanned Earth vehicles for disguise but then after they left Earth they reverted back to their original Cybertronian designs even though there's really no good reason for them to even change back. There was a good reason for them to scan Earth modes but they even acknowledge the fact that they switched back after leaving Earth.

    Also the Transmetals didn't really have a purpose considering it was a complete accident that that happened at all.

    Plus what about the fact that Optimus' design was intentionally changed in season 3 of Prime. They acknowledge that upgrade in the show, even having him scan a new vehicle mode which was weird considering he already had the kibble for it on his new body but then again so did Skyquake, Dreadwing, and Smokescrean. Of course those three came from Cybertron while Optimus was already on Earth and his new vehicle mode could have easily been explained away by the new body instead of having him actually scan that vehicle. Any point is Prime makes a big deal about that upgrade.

    Rescue Bots, Prime has the same form thoughout the entire series. No such upgrade has ever happened.

    Considering they're both suppose to be happening at the same time how can Optimus Prime gain an upgrade in season 3 of Prime and make a big deal about it there but in season 3 of Rescue Bots which happens at the same time, nothing.

    That is clearly not just an artistic license. That is a massive continuity error. Your excuse for Bumblebee is that they're all yellow cars with black stripes so it's close enough. So what's your excuse for Optimus?

    There's no way they could of known exactly where Starscream's missiles would hit the base. Besides even if they did it wouldn't matter because the explosion would destroy everything not inside the force field. The only way that force field could help them in that situation is if it could generate enough power to cover the entire base. Or if they put the force field around Starscream but considering he was in the air and never actually stepped foot on the base they probably couldn't do that either.

    There could of been other wars on Cybertron. Look at our history.

    Yeah, they were captured in the shorts right before that. I'm including the shorts with Overloaded as their introduction since he's the deployer that's suppose to go with them.

    Shockwave actually might not even be alive anymore. We never saw him after that, he was pretty badly damaged, and there were still more Terrorcons running around that could have killed him off screen. He's not confirmed dead but there's no confirmation he's still alive either.

    Also the Autobots had totally given up on the Omega Lock idea after the original one was destroyed. Clearly they don't know how to build a new one. They would need Shockwave's help with that.

    Um... what? Very few of these guys are actually new. The other guy what was introduced in the same wave as Medix and also hasn't been on the show isn't even new. The only really new ones are Boulder, sort of Chase there was another one before him but that Chase wasn't a police car, Salvage, Quickshadow, and High Tide.

    Plus he doesn't have to be a Rescue Bot. Optimus and Bumblebee both had toys in the Rescue Bots line but they're not Rescue Bots. Ratchet could of been just another of those characters who occasionally helps out on the show. And there is actually a need for him. I mean the show is called RESCUE bots and even if he's not actually part of the team he is still a RESCUE vehicle. There have been episodes where the bots have been damaged and their team doesn't have a medic to repair them. He technically fits with the show better than Boulder. Even one of the characters on the show questioned what a bull dosser has to do with rescue work.

    Only most? I thought all fans hated that? I've never met anyone that liked it. But Ratchet. being that he's alive, has a better chance of appearing on Rescue Bots than those guys so what's wrong with actually dropping his name in there? As long as they don't tell you the character is dead completely destroying any chance of ever seeing them, I'd love to hear some names get dropped every once in a while. You know where it makes sense to mention them like Optimus Prime talking about his team's medic. Not just randomly listing off characters for no good reason.

    Are you forgetting that in Prime the version we actually got in the show was an Optimus Prime retool while his original Prime Magnus toy was an entirely new mold? Also Thundertron.

    Practically every series has toys that get made but never appear in the cartoon. I doubt this one will be any different. It seems to be less common in recent years but it still happens. I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for it. It might happen but in case it doesn't you'll only be setting yourself up for disappointment if you think he's going to show up just because of a toy.

    With that out of the way, before someone corrects me I'm going to correct myself. What I said before about Sideswipe not having a Rescue Bots toy was proven wrong a few hours ago while I was in a K-Mart. I actually found a Rescue Bots Sideswipe in the store. Along with a new Medix figure which I knew was coming out but didn't realize had already been released.
     
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    Optimus BH design increased his size and power, making him able to contend with Predaking, and easily beat Megatron, who had previously been his equal. Therefore, he also under design changes that are acknowledged due to their importance. Admittedly, the fact that a larger Optimus never appears in RB is an error, even going by my logic. However, I'm just not that bothered by it. Like you've pointed out, there are countless continuity errors in the designs throughout all the shows, such as characters having Earth kibble before scanning an Earth vehicle, but as I said before, if you can't overlook it, I can't force you to.



    Still, where were those drones? Why have all those humans defending the base, when Optimus made it clear that he didn't want humans fighting the 'Cons?

    It's possible, but that's pretty much making up a part of the story that was never established.

    Yet Fracture appeared in them.

    He mostly just looked dusty, and had a crack on his eye. Other than that, there were no indications of any major damage.

    Huh, I didn't know, until now, that there had ever been a Heatwave before. Still, I seriously doubt RB Heatwave is an homage to a Shattered Glass Decepticon who turns into a missile launcher. Anyway, Bee and OP have to appear in everything TF, that's why they're in RB, and if they really needed a medic, they would've brought in Medix.

    Sure, it would be nice, but I really don't see the importance of it.

    RID isn't Prime. It's not any series but itself (despite having a name that's been used to death). So far, there haven't been any new molds created for characters who haven't appeared, and until that changes, I'm going to assume all new toys will appear, especially with how few Warrior Class toys there are.