Confusing Transformers Stuff

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by AutobotAvalanche, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. FAKER II

    FAKER II Cheap Repaint

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Posts:
    3,936
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Location:
    Kansas City, KS
    Likes:
    +6,522
    Given that Takara decided not to bring Convoy back for Masterforce and opted instead to use the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy as a totally different character, why the heck didn't they change the colors?
     
  2. WishfulThinking

    WishfulThinking The world has moved on...we've always said.

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2014
    Posts:
    20,763
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    372
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Likes:
    +26,824
    Facebook:
    Twitter:
    Because it was Convoy's transtector they were intending to use to revive him. That's the story-based explanation, at least.

    I'm sure there's an interest on capitalizing on the Convoy look anyhow.
     
  3. The Smirker

    The Smirker I Hate Sam Darnold

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2016
    Posts:
    2,482
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Location:
    The sea of Lcl
    Likes:
    +1,833
    Beast wars ending always stubbled me, and I know with beast machines they continued that, but really? Idk if there's a comic that explain's the gap.
     
  4. Kirby0189

    Kirby0189 Soundpost

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2015
    Posts:
    1,293
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Likes:
    +403
    Everything about the online CW series. Are combiners a different species? Why is Windblade a physcho-murderer all of a sudden? Did the writers do any research, didn't care, or both?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Beastwarsfan95

    Beastwarsfan95 Putting the ‘Bi’ in Bionicle.

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2014
    Posts:
    17,772
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Likes:
    +44,437
    Until I was told otherwise, every time I saw IDW-verse Tailgate (such as on these forums and such) I though he was female. Looking like a loli character and having stereotypically "feminine" hips did not help.

    Also, Cybertronians have always been gendered, ever since Wheeljack referred to Optimus as "he". Male is not a neutral gender. If Cybertronians were really genderless, they would all redder to each other as "it". But this is a debate for another time.
     
  6. Ryan F

    Ryan F Transform and Roll Out!

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2009
    Posts:
    3,059
    News Credits:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    292
    Likes:
    +6,913
    Whilst every piece of Transformers fiction ever made is, at its heart, a toy advertisement, I think people are willing to overlook the cynical nature of it all when the writers and production staff create something that's a bit more layered and substantial than the usual hack-work you tend to get with licensed tie-ins.

    You can nitpick anything if you look hard enough, but I find I tend not to notice the mistakes if I'm being swept up in the narrative and the characters. I guess that Beast Wars and Animated have that effect on a lot of people.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. WishfulThinking

    WishfulThinking The world has moved on...we've always said.

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2014
    Posts:
    20,763
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    372
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Likes:
    +26,824
    Facebook:
    Twitter:
    I think Beast Wars gets an exception in that they had actual sci-fi writers from Star Trek and other franchises working on the show. Hasbro, for the first couple seasons at least, also seemed very hands-off, allowing the writers to cherry-pick their favorite characters and do whatever with them. Beast Machines was when Hasbro got REALLY involved...and that was a train wreck. Perhaps a spectacular one to some fans, but still a train wreck.

    TFA is weird in that season 3 was basically an advertisement for a toy line that was wrapping up and already beginning to move on. Because of that, the writers were unshackled to kind of have free reign over the storyline at that point. When that happens, you usually get greater creativity and gain a cult following...
     
  8. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,679
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +98,699
    Instagram:
    Yup, BW and TFA (And Prime to be fair) aren't criticized as glorified toy commercials because they are written with the intent to be quality programming that puts story and charatcers on the same priority, if not more often above, as selling product.

    Which almost makes them more impressive, if they managed thought-provoking and compelling stories despite the restrictions of featuring characters for advertisment. Hell, the only reason Dinobot died in BW was because they knew they'd have to make room for a new character eventually, and started his character arc at the beginning of the season so it'd have meaning.

    How is physically altering your body to be one selected form that you have to manually contort into a better disguise than just turning invisible?

    There was no gap. Not for the Maximals. The trip was short (but turbulent) for them, because they travelled through time. Beast Machines shows everthing that happens to the Maximals in between shows. The only thing they don't actually show is Megatron's rise to power, but it's explained in the show. (the virus he created)
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2016
  9. IgnikaMarcus

    IgnikaMarcus Need new Legacy G2 Leadfoot.

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2013
    Posts:
    13,241
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Location:
    Cortland, OH
    Likes:
    +21,555
    Ebay:
    Why FunPub was allowed to use AVP to insert fanfiction into canon via retcons and technicalities.
     
  10. FortMax123

    FortMax123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2016
    Posts:
    1,961
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Location:
    England, UK
    Likes:
    +688
    Vehicle mode might be faster than robot mode. E.g. Mirage has a race car mode, but he can turn invisible.
     
  11. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,679
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +98,699
    Instagram:
    Then why not have jetpacks and fly?

    What's preventing every TF from being invisible and just flying everywhere?
     
  12. Asher Tye

    Asher Tye Cassetticon

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Posts:
    1,926
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Likes:
    +725
    Ebay:
    YouTube (Legacy):
    Pinterest:
    It might be a combination of things. Do we know how energy intensive it is for Mirage to turn invisible? Does doing so add extra stress to his systems if he does it for too long? How is he able to see while invisible, perhaps you need specialized optics to make use of it? No question invisibility is "the best disguise of all" but if the tradeoff for simply transforming is better...

    As to why beast forms are good, wasn't it pointed out that (outside Beast Wars where they were disguises) the dinobot and Predacon beast modes were more for assault than hiding. They weren't called in for infiltration, just to do some damage.
     
  13. FortMax123

    FortMax123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2016
    Posts:
    1,961
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Location:
    England, UK
    Likes:
    +688
    @Asher Tye beat me to it.
     
  14. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,679
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +98,699
    Instagram:
    But those are all made-up excuses. You could just as easily say none of those things are factors. Also, no continuity I know of has ever gave him restrictions of any kind.

    Plus, I feel like those all would be easier problems to solve than completely rebuilding yourself for what is basically a very, very limited disguise. (that is also good for all of one use until your enemies see you transform)

    Yeah, before Beast Wars beast modes were just for a more mobile attack form.
     
  15. Coffee

    Coffee (╭☞ꗞᨓꗞ)╭☞

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2013
    Posts:
    6,793
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    287
    Location:
    Ontario
    Likes:
    +4,172
    He's just a feminine male. The whole female voice thing doesn't really mean anything since plenty of "young" characters in cartoons are voiced by women. Steven Universe, and Fairly Odd Parents for example.
     
  16. Necromaster

    Necromaster FEAR ME MORTALS

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2011
    Posts:
    10,654
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Location:
    Michigan
    Likes:
    +6,625
    Honestly the mess that is the Aligned continuity baffles me, but to be fair I'm pretty sure it baffles Hasbro too.
     
  17. Pinpoint

    Pinpoint Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2015
    Posts:
    788
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    172
    Likes:
    +277
    The thing that's always puzzled me about Transformers is reproduction methods. There's literally so many different methods that are canon and it gets really confusing sometimes.

    It could be that Tailgate is just a feminine boy.

    Pronouns don't have to correlate to voice, actions or appearance. I mean, look at me. I have a high and feminine voice, yet I have a fairly masculine apperance and get very annoyed when people refer to me with feminine pronouns or names.

    Given how he behaves and his voice, I personally headcanon him as a feminine trans boy, but that's just me. if you have other explanations you can have em

    y'all can yell at all ya want about how "TRANSFERMURS DUNT HAVE GENDURRRSSSSS" but I like my Representation thanks
     
  18. Silvershot

    Silvershot On The Double Dutch Bus

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Posts:
    1,828
    News Credits:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    317
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Likes:
    +2,047
    I love Megatron's gun alt mode. Why, I don't know, but I do. What confuses me is WHY does he turn into a gun when he can already shoot that gun, by himself, in robot mode. I've heard some say that he's more powerful in gun mode, but that's just hokum. That will always confuse me.
     
  19. Silvershot

    Silvershot On The Double Dutch Bus

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Posts:
    1,828
    News Credits:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    317
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Likes:
    +2,047

    He took his alt mode from the famous George Adamski UFO. They were in a supposedly small town - they probably see UFOs all the time :crazy: 

    Adamski UFO:
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Poncho

    Poncho :/

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2015
    Posts:
    540
    Trophy Points:
    172
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Likes:
    +565
    I think what really confuses me is just WHERE and HOW did the Sky Spy get the data for Megatron's gun mode? Did someone from the nearby city have a P38 with accessories from a then-20 year television series just lying around his house, in a place where the drone could easily scan it from the outside?
     
    • Like Like x 1