Complicated, Well-engineered, Involved Transformations?

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  1. Thundercracker Blue

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    Another toy with a truly Byzantine transformation that I happen to really enjoy is FansProject Diesel (Motormaster). Very complex, but crazy satisfying once you get to the point where you can do it by heart.

    Also, SXS Hot Flame (Rodimus). A little fiddly and floppy, but still fun.
     
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    "CHUG" refers broadly to the line of retail toys that were essentially G1 characters with slightly updated alt modes. It refers to Classics Henkei Universe and Generations.
    Classics was released in 2006. Henkei! was the japanese version of the line. Universe was a broader "catch all" line that included these types of G1 updates plus some other repaints and such. Generations was similar, with additional modes. There was also another line called "Reveal the Shield" that was similar scale and concept, with the gimmick of rub signs added.

    Although this lineage goes back nearly 15 years, the engineering was done at time when Hasbro/Takara's budget permitted way more parts count, which meant more complicated transformation.

    Here is a good example: Classics Inferno (also released with better paint/chrome under Henkei! in japan)



    As you can see, the transformation isn't crazy, but there's more going on in releases within the past couple years. It also achieves articulation on part with any 3rd party or modern release or better. Ankle tilts, bicep swivels, double knees, hips, waist, etc. There are minimal gaps and the figure stands as tall as Leader class toys today. It was released as a "Voyager" scale which retailed for $20 or so back in 2006. I think it is better than any inferno released since then, except for masterpiece. This includes 3rd party release. It is THAT damn good. And it's 12 years old.

    consider also Reveal the Shield Jazz, released in 2010:



    Transformation is very much G1 updated to modern (i mean MODERN) standards

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    It looks brilliant and its taller than current deluxes because back then stuff didn't suck. And it has everything but ankle tilts.

    There were tons of brilliant molds all over this extended period.

    Concurrently with the CHUG line, which were retail release that DID NOT have an associated animated TV show, Hasbro also produced a toyline that WAS based on a tv show.

    Around 2008 we got "Transformers: Animated". cell animation, with some exaggerated proportions. The show was brilliant, funny and kid-like on the surface, but excellently executed. The toyline was even better. It has some breakthrough engineering to achieve the very manga-esque propotions.

    Check out the voyager-scale Optimus from this line:



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    It LOOKS very simple and cartoony but shifting the mass of what is basically a sharp brick into a thin-wasted superhero proportion optimus prime required some smart engineering, and thats what we found all over the line. this line had charm, and every release was hugely anticipated. This line took the concept of "mass shifting" to the NEXT LEVEL, with us fans wondering "how the hell did they make THAT turn into THAT"

    You also need to check out Leader class bulkhead:



    Which took a compact potato into a hulking giant

    I bring up animated because when the line ended about 3 years later, the first Michael Bay movie was released which was EXTREMELY transformation unfriendly, with wild designs that required "morphing" more than "transformation between modes." The design language was EXTREMELY complicated - needlessly so, with stuff happening everywhere, either humanoid or monstrous proportions, and sharp pointy bits all over.

    Hasbro's next cartoon series was Transformers: Prime, which blended the cartoony proportions of Animated with more "Michael bay" movie stylings. Sharper edges, darker colors

    We got a line called "First Edition", which was basically limited release molds for the main characters that had a pretty good budget.

    Voyager prime:



    Voyager bulkhead (MUST WATCH, the mass shifting is insane)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArCkps3uzaA&list=PLBD194F2DF98D535A&index=10

    A relatively compact military style hummer turns into a MASSIVE robot

    Looking at Prime Bulkhead versus Animated bulkhead also shows you the shift in design aesthetic from "round" to "sharp"


    This is another genius mold from the line: First Edition cliffjumper

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPQmWGhfStY

    an absolute master class in how to fold up panels into limbs and body parts efficiently

    A later release in the line:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWx2W47nzo

    Deluxe vehicon. A super simple way to form the legs that boggles the mind in its straightforwardness

    how could i leave out my all time favorite transformation:

    Fansproject X3 Smart Robin, designed by Jizai toys

     
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  3. paparazz0

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    You beautiful human being, this is such an in depth post; it’s encyclopedic. Providing the videos really illustrated the differences in the toy lines, more so than words alone. Thank you for taking the time to explain this, I’m going to have to take my time metabolizing this information!
     
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    Toyworld BB Prime perhaps
     
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    I like your enthusiasm! All the Transformers stuff I'd recommend has already been listed, but if transformation itself interests you there is some really cool stuff out there. Sadly, all of it would be out of your price range, but you can still marvel at the engineering.

    High end toys based on the Macross series are consistently some of the best transforming toys out there. Here are a few reviews from the Scorched Earth Toys blog. There are transformation videos in each of these reviews. If these interest you just keep browsing his site, just about every modern Macross toy is awesome.

    Arcadia YF-19
    Arcadia 1/60 YF-19 – Scorched Earth Toys
    Bandai VF-171EX
    Bandai 1/60 DX VF-171 & RVF-171 Toys – Scorched Earth Toys
    Bandai SV-262
    Bandai DX SV-262 Draken III Toys – Scorched Earth Toys

    Also from Scorched Earth is a review of the Cyclone Ride Armor. This is in contention for the most complicated transforming toy ever released.
    Beagle 1/10 Ride Armors & Toynami Masterpiece Cyclones – Scorched Earth Toys

    The Soul of Chogokin line has a few impressive transformations, here is my favorite Daioja.


    The designer of Smart Robin has a blog where he constantly plays with transformation ideas and posts the results. He doesn't have any ambitions to release them as physical toys, it's just for the fun of it. Here is his blog site 変形バカ一代!ジザイトイズ. It's in Japanese, but you don't need to read to browse it. If a picture for an entry intrigues you, just click on the title to see more. He posts a lot of transformation videos of his C.A.D. files in these blog posts. Here is just a small collection of his posted work, starting with his more standard Transformers related stuff and ending with his more original ideas.
    グリーンライト2
    はたらくくるま3-2
    SDハウンド2
    マウスイジェークト!2
    http://jizaitoys.seesaa.net/article/471133936.html
    http://jizaitoys.seesaa.net/article/459422354.html

    And finally, there is a designer that has a company called Studio Halfeye. He produces toys in very small numbers and assembles them by hand, as a result they're extremely expensive and elusive. So much so that I can't find any videos of them for you. Still, it's worth admiring his work, even if all you've got are pictures. Here's a few of his highlights.

    S.H.E. Escaflowne
    http://studio-halfeye.com/works/esc_rev/esc_rev.html
    S.H.E. Dangaioh
    http://studio-halfeye.com/works/dangaioh/dgaio_top/dgaio_top2.html
    S.H.E. Getter Robo
    http://studio-halfeye.com/works/grr/grr.html

    After thinking about it a little more I do have some Transformers recommendations. For the G1 Masterpiece line I'd recommend Wheeljack and Ironhide. The KOs of those toys are easy to come by and pretty cheap, and they're some of the best transformations in the line in my opinion. For the Bayverse Masterpiece line I'd recommend the KO MPM-4 Optimus prime. Specifically LT-02 version, that KO is actually better than the original release. That toy has a great transformation. Also check out Alternity Convoy, I did a quick check on ebay and they're still available for around 60 - 70 dollars.
     
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    Regarding escaflowne and getter, i did find a video in japanese here:

    Escaflowne:


    Getter robo:




    I cannot find any for dangaioh, unfortunately.
     
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    Those 1st 3 FP Headmasters are the best examples of well engineered AND fun transformations for me. Then there's M3 which the best example of over engineered TF ever and no where needs to be that complicated.
     
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    Jesus Christ, I took a look at the Macross Draken III video and I was immersed in the transformation, thanks for bringing it to my attention. That Draken figure is so beautiful too, the color combination and the paint job, stunning. This is an excellent post with a ton of great resources. I’m always curious in learning more about toys that transform outside of the TF line. The puzzle and engineering element present in this genre of toys scratches that part of the brain so satisfyingly.


    That Chibi-Hound from the Jizai toys is hysterical
    and that Jesus Christ one is brilliant, I’d buy that in a heartbeat

    Wow, those are so funky, I love it. The TF line has created a logic, both design and trasformation, that are very specific to itself, and you can see that logic present in a majority of the TF toys. These don’t have to follow that logic and a whole new funky logic is created. Thanks for sharing and posting the videos, I would never have come across them on my own
     
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    Oh god, you're encouraging me. Down the rabbit hole we go. Most of this stuff is long sold out, so actually buying them will be expensive. It's always good to know what's out there though. As far as engineering excellence goes there is only a few things I'd like to add. First, the Dynamic Change Getter Robo line. They're not as complex as the Studio Halfeye one, but still pretty impressive, and a whole lot of fun to fiddle with. The first three had chibi proportions, and then the original Getter Robo was released with realistic proportions. My favorite in the line was the second one, Getter Robo G. No video for it but here is a bunch of pictures https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10253025

    and a video for Dynamic Change Shin Getter Robo


    Then there is an artist that sells a few of his items through places like Shapeways tomooyamaji.com: Portfolio. My favorites of his are the Stingray, and the Dragon/Wreath. Neither of which are for sell unfortunately.

    While that might be it for truly incredible transformations, there's still a bunch of stuff out there that's unique and a lot of fun.

    Jumbow

    Red Bull Can

    EXCF

    SOC Gold Lightan


    Here is a few lines you might want to look up
    Gokin Machine Robo / Gobots!
    Topop Beast Box 52 Toys
    Bandai Japan's "Digivolving Spirits"

    The Macross thread in the toyark section of this site is a great place to get advice about buying Macross items. It's unfortunately a bit of a pain to buy these most of the time so deffinately ask them about it The Macross Thread. That Drakan you're interested in is fairly easy to get on the second hand market. It wasn't very popular with the Macross fandom. It'll still cost you about 200 dollars to get one though, Macross toys are expensive.

    Here is some stores to look into for buying international items.

    Japan based
    HLJ
    HLJ.com - The Worlds Largest Online Hobby, Toy and Figure Shop
    Nippon Yassan
    Japanese importation of video games, PS4 consoles, music CD, figures and mangas - Nippon-Yasan.Com
    AmiAmi
    AmiAmi [Character & Hobby Shop]
    Mandarake - this store is a second hand specialist. It's actually the online store front for a few different retail stores in Japan. If you're looking for something used in Japan, this is the place to look.
    Mandarake Online Shop

    China based
    Action Robo
    Action Robo
    Show.Z
    Show.Z Store

    and then there is Sir Toys Toys - SirToys.com. They specialize in KOs, but they also have a lot of unique toys that never get released outside of china. Most of the stuff is pretty basic, and a lot of them parts-form pretty heavily, but there's still a few interesting ones in there. None will blow you away engineering wise, but they make up for it in uniqueness and personality.
    Appliance Hero Rice Cooker - Original - SirToys.com
    Burst Beast Eggs 01 Dragon - Original - SirToys.com
    Dragon Blast Chariot S2 Dino Red - Original - SirToys.com
    Shrine Warriors Set of 5 - Original - SirToys.com
    Stadium Warrior Set of 5 - Original - SirToys.com
    Letter Combiner ABEL - Alphabet - SirToys.com
    Letter Combiner D - Alphabet - SirToys.com
    I particularly recommend that last one. Who'd know that one of my favorite transforming toys would be a letter D.

    Here is a few more of my favorite Transformers toys. I won't post any more videos, I think there's enough on this page already. These next toys aren't great because of complexity, but because of how well the transformation is thought out. Like Smart Robin and Prime Vehicon, these toys are maximum payoff for minimum effort. These elegant transformers are every bit as good as the more complex stuff.

    Animated Deluxe Prowl
    Animated Deluxe Rodimus Minor
    Generations Deluxe Warpath
    Revenge of the Fallen Voyager Mindwipe
    Power Core Combiners Heavytread
    Prime Deluxe Wheeljack
    Robots in Disguise (2015 line ) Warrior Thunderhoof
    Titans Return Deluxe Triggerhappy

    and here is a few more complex transformers I recommend

    Generations Deluxe War for Cybertron ( the game ) Optimus Prime
    Revenge of the Fallen Deluxe Wheelie
    Hunt for the Decepticons Scout Breacher
    Hunt for the Decepticons Deluxe Terradive
    Dark of the Moon Voyager Skyhammer
    Generations Deluxe Scourge
    Generations Voyager Springer
    Robots in Disguise ( 2001 line ) Ultra Megatron - not really that complex, but really interesting. It has 10 official modes, it's a lot of fun to fiddle with.

    Edit:

    You should also buy some spudger tools, something like this. These tools are made of soft material that doesn't scratch surfaces easily. Complex toys frequently require you to pop open small, and sometimes hard to access, parts. Spudgers are a much better option than your fingernails or a knife.
     
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    I always thought how DX9's Tyrant (Galvatron) transforms from a blocky robot tot a cylindrical alt mode was pretty good.
     
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    u hv to b amazed at ft motormaster trailer