Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by eagc7, Apr 13, 2015.
That's more or less the way I viewed it. I mean, you had Yonny keep telling her to keep her emotions in check. So...someone who keeps their emotions in check aren't really prone to wear them on their sleeves.
You're right, it's not rocket science, but respectfully, that's also all argumentative bullshit pointed at a counter opinion. Said from a biased point of view, no less. Apparently comic kiddos know this and assume everyone else does/should, and while that's all well and dandy for those people, it does not automatically translate to the movie medium where they, in fact, show jack all in the regard when it comes to explanation or even exposition. I'm sure that will go against the lemming grain of "but... but... I liked the movie and therefore anyone that says boo about it is just a hater" consensus, but it doesn't change the facts of it. Again, the actress that literally played the character doesn't even know what she does, so how is it the Common Joe is supposed to get it? And I said that - once again - as one of the sole voices here to DEFEND this movie and its headline star prior to its release and all the shitty little peanut gallery negative comments. If I can say objectively that it failed on those fronts, then even the semi intelligent comic nerds 'o nerds should be able to do the same. It doesn't mean the movie sucked, but c'mon, let's not let basic fanboy'ism cloud actual reality. This isn't the Star Wars thread for crying out loud.
Doesn't change the fact that her powers were no less explained than any of the examples I gave.
I don't have a precise knowledge of Captain Marvel's powerset as when I was reading she was already Binary yet I didn't come out of the movie demanding an exposition about everything she could do.
But they were, contrary to the examples you gave. Good or bad, all of their movies actually DID show what their characters can do and are about. That didn't happen here, unfortunately.
I'll still defend this movie to the idiot blind haters about Brie Larson, female superheroes, her expressions and/or lack thereof, and all that baseless nonsense, but even as a hardcore MCU fan, I can't and won't deny where the directors & writers completely screwed the pooch on proper storytelling here.
Comic geeks nothing. I gave you the rundown based on exactly what happens IN the movie, no foreknowledge required.
It's pretty much Iron Man's repulsor test scene from his first movie, except with a fight at the same time. We didn't need a science primer on how HIS powers worked, did we?
Why do you act like movie viewers are stupid, and have to be spoon-fed this stuff?
Why is it OK for Wonder Woman to suddenly start flying after finding out that Zeus is her father but not for Captain Marvel to do the same after her literal power inhibitor is removed? What is Black Panther and Captain America's powers? Are they super strength or, similar to the comics, just the highest possible peak of human strength? Captain America did, after all, hold an entire helicopter still. Why is it not a problem that they've never been defined?
I'm not accusing you of being a Captain Marvel hater or anything like that, but if you're wanting a list of superhero powers slapped somewhere into every movie than it's far from the first or only offender. I'm not even sure how it would work in this movie considering she discovered her powers right at the end of the movie for the first time herself.
And despite all this I know what her powers are. Super-strength, energy beams/projection and flight. It's what she used in the movie, after all.
I don't, and I have previously - specifically - said it's NOT a matter of needing to be spoon-fed anything. But come on friend, don't tell me with a straight face that showing her just doing random stuff equates to telling the audience everything they need. If that was the case, there wouldn't be dozens upon dozens of articles, videos, etc. loaded with people asking exactly those questions: "what the hell ARE her powers beyond being able to fly and almost cartoonishly shoot shit out of her hands?". I personally didn't care enough to be bothered by not really knowing, but once it was asked / pointed out again & again & again & again & again, opposer of the moron generic Brie haters or not, I also couldn't be ignorant enough to pretend that that did do a good job in telling anyone what the hell it is that Captain Marvel is all about. Because they didn't. They just didn't. And once again, they DID do that with the other movies aka spell out exactly what SHOULD be spelled out when it comes to superheroes vs. your example of Iron Man... who is a technological savant and doesn't have anything "super" that need to be explained.
All fair enough, but you know full well that I'm the last person that wants/needs anything 'spelled out' or slapped on lists of things. The issue was, for the last time, they don;t tell anyone a.ny.thing. Showing beams shooting out of her hands and then just suddenly flying out of nowhere - to her own surprise - didn't tell anyone a friggin' thing about her abilities other than "lol, she's all super n' shit... because of that explosion we see in the last 5 minutes of the movie... soooo there ya go". I didn't hate the movie, but nothing will change my mind that they did indeed royally drop the ball on that front. And it was driven home because of literally everyone I know and the endless articles I've specifically addressing that very question.
To BOTH of you guys, I'm sorry of my words on a screen look harsher than they're intended - that's not what I want. I truly AM saying/asking all this with a smirk and a raised eyebrow and don't want an actual argument or anything. I like & respect both of you, as I also respect differing opinions in general. I just have to stand my ground on this particular ground, and don't agree that this aspect was done well. That's all.
Those videos exist because we live in the day and age where YouTube streamers feel the need to make content and fill time, and what better way to geek out over the current popular movies, and flaunt your geek cred?
People make YouTube videos of the most braindead obvious crap all the time.
That's no proof of the movie failing to explain itself well enough. The entire point of the movie was not to put Carol in a box, but to show off her limitless potential. She goes though her path of discovery the same time the audience does. That's enough.
There's a difference between trying to act like she has a personality and having a personality. Brie is pretty much an emotionless bot who has to try to act like she has any sort of personality and fails to do so in every movie she has ever done.
Yeah, how dare people want to have fun with the videos they make! They should only be making dead serious videos on serious subject matter.
If you say so. She didn't seem to have any problems conveying a personality in this movie.
And all her reactions in the outtakes all seem pretty genuine and natural.
Well I found her to be quite bland. I've seen wood with better emotions.
That's your opinion then, but I personally don't see it. She has her moments of stoic professionalism, because she's a soldier (and a brainwashed one at that), but pretty much every moment she's not 100% invested in the mission, she's pushing buttons and trolling someone and maybe even being a bit flirty about it. Or there's the moments when she's questioning her past and she looks like her sky is falling. It's really not that hard at all to get into her headspace any time she's on screen, which you can't really do if the person doesn't emote at all.
I get where you are coming from, but when I watched the movie in theaters, I felt those scenes were extremely forced emotions rather than natural ones. Her being a soldier is no excuse for being a robot. Hell, Heero Yuy has more emotions than her and he's basically an assassin.
Don't see where you are coming from here. She had a personality and it was conveyed naturally through the film's dialogue, themes and her expressions. Don't mistake a lack of ham for being wooden. Larson is quite human in her portrayal of Carol. Not every actor or character should be RDJ or Barbossa.
My partner got it and had little to no interest in these movies (or super heroes for that matter) save Thor: Ragnarok
For me personally it comes down to her powers being ill-defined by nature. Rather than have something pragmatic or basically-conveyed like super strength or whatnot, it’s all just swirly CGI energy that looks lame as hell. When your skill set is that obtuse and hard to believe/visualize, extra effort is needed to make it seem real, otherwise to me it’s just the actors pumping their fists awkwardly with CGI gunk spread on top later.
And no, I can’t chalk Brie Larson’s absolute wooden performance as simply some in-character trait. If it was, it was a mistake to portray her that way. I’ve seen Brie Larson act, hell she acted better even in that terrible Kong movie, but she was just awful as Captain Marvel, and in Endgame especially.
There’s just... so little to compel her character. It’s all down to how it was done. It’s what everyone complains Superman is, and they do often define his powers as he learns them. Here it’s just a flat character with uninteresting abilities. It’s why a lot of superheroes end up tweaked or nerfed in films. You gotta give me more nuance than “can fly and shoot energy.”
I don’t buy the “She was told to repress her emotions” defense. You know who else was told to repress all feelings of love and emotion to become an efficient killing machine? Black Widow. ScarJo acts circles around Brie Larson in these movies, and she is so much better at conveying emotions she’s trying to bury. When Carol sees that Fury was snapped in Endgame, her face barely changes (and this is 20 years after she apparently discovered that her emotions make her stronger). It also doesn’t work when characters like Yon Rogg are telling the audience she’s too emotional without actually showing it. They do give her jokes, but her comedic timing just isn’t very good, and some of them just come off as mean spirited like when she says Fury finally did something smart. The finding her identity by discovering her past thing doesn’t work either. If you think I just don’t like Brie Larson, I don’t like Matt Damon either, but he was so good with a character going through a similar plot line in the Bourne trilogy. I haven’t seen Larson in anything other than this, Kong: Skull Island, Disney Channel movie from 15 years ago, but she has not impressed me as Carol Danvers yet.
Apparently the big factor in Marvel choosing her was because of her performance in The Room(which she won an Oscar for). I haven’t seen the movie myself, but it’s a very twisted/creepy one.
Anyone here seen that?
Brie Larson plays EVERY role the EXACT same way. Whether Scott Pilgrim vs the World, United States of Tara, Unicorn Store, or Captain Marvel. She has NO range. A decent actress? Yes. Yet EVERY role she has is the sarcastic, snarky chic with spunk role.
She's good at playing that one note, one dimensional character. Brie's issue is that near EVERY other lead character in the MCU is portrayed by someone who brings range and depth to the character. Brie just doesnt bring anything special. Maybe she'll own the role in a future portrayal. As generic as Black Widow is, Scarlett has always brought something extra.
Brie is a good actress, it just feels like she should be in an MCU tv show more than a movie. The directors and script don't play to her strengths. Captain Marvel is about the most boring character to give a movie to. The fact that so many people said the cat or Sam Jackson were the best parts of the movie ,and the overall divisive nature of the movie, are strong indications of her solid, if mediocre acting.
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