Can someone explain me this about the all spark?

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  1. tamaboy311

    tamaboy311 Well-Known Member

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    Why everytime the allspark transformed human tech, they turned into cons?
    Is there an actual explination?
     
  2. HereticalHeresy

    HereticalHeresy Decepticon

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    I didn't think they turned into cons, I think they just on instinct started fighting because they felt as if they were threatened, as if violence was an instinct.
     
  3. tamaboy311

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    Yeah but for example...in ROTF you can see one of the kitchen appliances, has a con logo on his forehead. The one that peaks through the door.
     
  4. Optimusime

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    I always thought of it like this too.
     
  5. Optimusime

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    I suppose with all of Earths technology based on Megatron, that would make all technology of Decepticon origin. Jumpstart it with a bit of allspark and whammo, instant Decepticons.
     
  6. Wolf

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    This.
     
  7. Wolf

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    Also i think in going to take this thread on a tangent here for a bit.....

    Can someone please clear up exactly what is supposed to have happened to megs when the cube was shoved into his chest??? And as there is more than one shard....but Most of the cubes mass except the shard Sam has, has been merged with megatron and as the cubes information can only transform surely megs has experienced some effects of it as hes got the lions share!???
     
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    I believe the pure energy of the cube was too powerful for any individual Transformer to contain. It pretty much overpowered Megs and fried his circuits. Remember, Optimus' last ditch plan was to merge the Cube with his Spark, to keep it away from Megs. Ratchet told him that it would be suicide,suggesting that Prime would not survive that kind of merge.
     
  9. Ironhide1234

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    If you recall in TF1, Banacheck stated, whilst he was giving a tour of MBE1 (Megatron), that all technology today, Cars, telecommunications, Computers, Televisions, e.t.c. were created by studying Megatron's frozen body in Sector 7/Hoover dam. Of course Megatron's lust for power and aggression will carry on to those created in his image.

    The Allspark's power, merely activated the 'inner aggression' of Megatron within each appliance, Mt. Dew machine, black SUV, Kitchen bots...
     
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    According to Robert Orci, writer of TF1, Allspark Mutants are feral and sparkless. Meaning they are just of animal intelligence unlike Cybertronians.

    Megatron wanted to create an army with the Allspark but it is not the intended function of the Allspark as it is meant to power Cybertron.

    As we've seen Cybertronians have other means of reproduction that result to Hatchlings. Either by cloning or a male and female Transformer creating one. Jetfire mentioned he had a mother and father. The Primes were ancestors of Optimus and Sentinel..
     
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    This is the right answear
     
  12. Wolf

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    Agreed. But surely some of the information must have been merged with megs as he has had the allspark or parts of it shoved into his chest twice now?? Am thinking that is that a possible route they may head down for how galvs becomes alive!???
     
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    An Allspark fragment might be used, but I think it'll just be that they build Galvatron out of Megatron's parts or his "living metal" which effectively transfers enough of him so that when he comes "alive" there's enough Megatron in there to take over.

    This is of course assuming that Galvatron shows any sentience at all, which he may not. And even if he does, we don't know if he'll have any connection to Megatron at all.
     
  14. Autovolt 127

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    Yeah I was going to say they're not, they're feral beasts which isn't really too far off from how Decepticons actually behave in the Bayhem.
     
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    When they become alive they are fully aware of their entire past, Thus saying if you treated it like a bitch it's going to remember that and won't be the nicest person.

    Dispensor was a Soda machine, The SUV belong to a rich bitch...
    And who treats there kitchen appliances with respect?

    Not only that they are now young, They've had little time to actually think about things, Just acting on what they remember.


    This is backed up multiple times in fiction, Mostly toy bios across the trilogy.

    Landmine.. I think specifically says it.
     
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    Agreed. I never new why, I like this explanation.
     
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    Imo there is a definite facial resemblance to megs.especially in the eyes. And yes you could be right almost as if his soul is in the metal used however i most definitely believe he shows sentience!!! This is nemesis prime and galvatron combined which equals primes worst nightmare!!!
     
  18. Aernaroth

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    This honestly would have made more sense to me than the "feral" explanation that's essentially canonical. Even with the idea that Autobots and Decepticons are basically biologically identical that we see revealed in ROTF, the idea that all earth technology is derived from the physiology of Megatron could have opened up some very interesting story ideas.
     
  19. Gingerchris

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    I've never really liked that explanation. Just because some of our technology is derived by studying Megatron doesn't mean the tech we make is going to be Cybertronian enough to come to life with Megatron's nasty traits instilled in it. It's not like every bit of Earth tech has a little bit of Megatron actually in it. How much tech did they need to get from Megatron to make a blender? Are electric motors inherently evil?
    Reverse-engineering just makes a copy of something. It's not actually that something. At least certainly not when it comes to living Cybertronian tech that has character traits somehow seeped into it.

    Earth materials aren't even made from Cybertronian metals, which seems, according to AoE to be a main factor in making transforming 'living' robots. Unless, and I'm not fond of this notion either, a jolt of Allspark radiation/energy converts Earth metals to 'living' Cybertronian metals.

    I think really the writers just wanted things converted by Allspark energy to come to life and attack people because it's a bit of threat action for a scene and an explanaion has been tacked on after the fact because fans kept asking about it.

    In AoE perhaps they'll finally better address it, but right now the old 'Earth tech Allspark creations are feral because they were based on Megatron's tech and he's evil' has always come off as a rather iffy way of explaining it.

    Plus it implies that Megatron is evil at a 'cellular' level and that TF can never really get away from what they were born as. Didn't Megatron start off as a good guy before he got all power hungry? I suppose you could say he was always innately evil deep down, but it's still weak to me.

    I guess the whole thing is okay as a throwaway explanation for the feral Allpark creations, but once you scrape that surface off it throws up enough problems for me to go off the idea.
     
  20. Mr.Deflok

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    Megs got overpowered and killed by the Allspark.

    Next episode it brought him back to life :D