Botcon Returns in 2021

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by neospark1, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. cbff

    cbff Destroyer of Botcon (Retired)

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    That said, I agree it is great news that another convention is available for people to attend and hang out at. I just feel it's important to remember where Botcon came from while understanding why it was the way it was and not to end back up there again. :) 
     
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    I'm glad some people understand this.

    Sadly, it is just so much easier for people to speculate and ASSume that they are getting ripped off by having to pay salaries or just simple greed, than to actually understand these logistics.
     
  3. Fenrys

    Fenrys Formerly Tigatron2002 TFW2005 Supporter

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    Overhead (stuff like salaries and operational costs) is factored into the cost of everything a business does, a percentage of everything a business sells goes in to that (I do estimating for a living, I’m not talking out of my ass). So yes customers are helping to pay people’s salaries when they buy toys
     
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  4. cbff

    cbff Destroyer of Botcon (Retired)

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    It's not so much getting ripped off as understanding where your money is going. I went with a conservative estimate in my math (and I've heard it's much worse than that). If you felt the figures you got and experiences you had at the price you paid were justified, great. If you don't think the additional $250,000 (minimum) in salaries for 7 people adds a substantial increase in the markup of products sold, I think you're wrong.
     
  5. G.B. Blackrock

    G.B. Blackrock Autobot Ally

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    I'm less concerned about "how much of the money I spend is going to salaries?" than "is what I'm getting for the money I spend a good value?"

    All that background stuff needs to happen, and the folks that run the convention absolutely need to care about that.

    But I don't. "Is it a good value to me?" is really what matters. The breakdowns don't.
     
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    Let’s not forget that the LICENSE for the official Transformers branding isn’t cheap, either. It’s not like Hasbro let them do it for free.

    Anywho.... let’s just wait and see how it all pans out. We have months before PeteCon where we’re likely to get more information.
     
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  7. Bass X0

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    Is it too soon to think about possible Botcon toys?

    Because I’d like Fangry, Horri-Bull and Squeezeplay remolded from Grotusque and Wolfwire. The three would have new beast heads and reuse their Titan Master heads. Squeezeplay would lose Grotusque’s wings.
     
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    Do you want to read all the angry posts saying those characters should have been offered in Selects? I don't.

    Their best bet, if they want to do exclusive toys at all, is to go back to creating original characters.
     
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    Whoever Botcon does will get complaints from people wanting them to be done by Takara or Hasbro. But there are characters neither of them have the opportunity and/or desire to do. And that is where Botcon / The Club came in.

    Besides, several characters Botcon did gained their own molds a few years later such as Kup, Scourge and Chromedome.
     
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  10. cbff

    cbff Destroyer of Botcon (Retired)

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    Probably, since we don't even know if they have the ability to manufacture any or have them manufactured for them.
     
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    I hope Hasbro does those guys though.
    But that would be great ways to do them.
     
  12. Bass X0

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    Okay, what about turning generics from the original cartoon into new characters?

    New character - Combiner Wars Cyclonus
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    New character - Siege Shockwave
    New character - Earthrise Starscream
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    New characters - Masterpiece Rumble
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    Zeta Prime - Siege Optimus Prime
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    Guardian Prime - Siege Starscream
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    Prima - Combiner Wars Cyclonus
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    New characters can be named characters who don’t have any visual representation. The four Rumble recolours I would cast as the Tremorcon - Transformers Wiki
     
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    He is helping bring BotCon to life... by selling merchandise before the show and promoting it at his own convention, lol.

    I’m confused why we’re still debating FunPub’s cost breakdown for exclusives when that’s not at all relevant to this new iteration, plus has been talked about to death over the years... are we still airing out our grievances, and if so why here when Brian and Co. aren’t at all involved?
    :horse: :deadhorse: :horse: :deadhorse: :horse: :deadhorse: 
     
  14. cbff

    cbff Destroyer of Botcon (Retired)

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    I was mainly highlighting that if BC Productions intends on offering a more affordable Botcon than the previous iteration, it would likely be without a full time staff, as labor is expensive and results in increased prices.
     
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    While I like the idea of making new characters based on one-off background characters in G1, like Lancer and Greenlight, I would not use the Combiner Wars Cyclonus mold. For one thing, it's a remold of Silverbolt to begin with. Not an original Cyclonus mold like the Universe one. Plus there's no limbs for them combine with. But more importantly, there's probably going to be a new Cyclonus figure in Earthrise. The last time Hasbro used the Cyclonus trademark was in 2017 for RiD2.0 Cyclonus. So they need to use it very soon otherwise the trademark will expire. So there will probably be a much better Cyclonus mold to use in 6 to 18 months time.

    Assuming BC Productions gets the official license and capability of having exclusives, that's kind of something I hope they avoid that the old FunPub was guilty of: having a BotCon exclusive that was immediately made obsolete by a normal retail release of the same character a year or two later. Like with Kup and Scourge in 2009, who were supposed to be our CHUG Kup and Scourge, but were replaced 2 short years later with the infinitely better Generations Kup and Scourge. Or like in 2007 how we had a Springer repaint using the CD Hot Shot figure, but then Hasbro came out with their own Springer using another Cybertron mold in Evac the very next year. While they're both just repaints, at least the Evac one was a helicopter. Which, even though Springer is a triplechanger, he only used his car mode once in TFTM for about 4 seconds and then never again.
     
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    That’s why the original 3H figures still remain the best exclusives, and most memorable... you could only get them at BotCon. And with great fiction to back them up, I hope if they do secure the license to make exclusives, they revisit the characters from 1995-2000, CatSCAN, Tap-Out, Glyph, Rook, Roulette, Shadow Striker, and Sentinel Maximus... would LOVE to see CHUG updated repaints of those characters. Like Generations Waspinator as Antagony and Inferno :drool: 
     
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    I hope botcon has cuter cosplay girls than hascon
     
  18. IgnikaMarcus

    IgnikaMarcus DON'T TRUST THE RENDERS!

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    I'm still amazed l managed to get 02 Cyclonus for $20 on eBay.
     
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  19. Fenrys

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    i managed to score catscan for the same awhile back, seems the 02 exclusives just werent all that popular compared to other years
     
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  20. G.B. Blackrock

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    Trouble is, original characters have been demonstrated not to sell as well as known characters. A certain segment of the fandom may think they're better (because Hasbro is less likely to do them again in the near future, among other reasons), but if they don't sell as well, whoever's producing them is less able to continue doing so.