I think may be conflating two different groups of objectors. Again, I personally don't give two fucks either way and think his art looks fine, but I think the people complaining about the cheesecake are a different set than those who are complaining about the shota. Although I'm not sure the women who don't like the objectification of women would be any more accepting of the objectification of children, be they male or female.

 

I really don't get why some people can't differentiate between "fan work" and "official work"

I don't care if you draw gang bang porn of Arcee or Megatron as your own fan works, but IDW Transformers comics are official works aim for general audience, you shouldn't bring your fantasy (in most of the cases, MALE FANTASY) into official works.

Hayato Sakamoto should not draw femal TFs as some pin-up sex objects, the same principle apply to female artists too. But you don't see Sarah Stone drawing Starscream doing the Anaconda pose in Windblade.

 

We have a winner.

Smutty fanart =/= smutty official art. There is a difference between someone producing some art for their own enjoyment that sexualizes a character that will be seen by dozens or hundreds of people maybe and official sexualised art appearing in an issue with c 10,000 sales.

MTMTE is not a place to pander to creepy ass fanboys who want giant jiggling breasts on their fembots. Go to Deviantart if you want that.

 

we see as bout as much of chromia's ass as we do Flare-ups

 

If you can't see how that Flareup art is completely different to Chromia's non-curvy, non-sexualized backside being visible to the side of one panel is completely different then you need help. Refer to this:

 

Hound89, those comparisons are making femmebotfangirl's argument for her. You're literally doing the exact opposite of what you want to do.

Also note that Chromia has an "ass-shot" because she's leaning over to help someone up and the "ass-shot" is simply because her ass is in the picture. Flareup literally has her leaning over sticking her butt in the "camera" for no other reason then so the reader can see her ass. Who the hell leans over like that unless they're doing a raunchy photo-shoot? Nobody.

Also you're comparison between official artwork and fan work is really quite terrible. I know everyone else has already point it out, btu it needs to be said again.

 

she has an ass shot cause shes leaning over the railing, people do it all the time to get a better look

 

Exactly.

I also have ZERO ISSUE with smutty TF fanart. I have a big problem with pandering to the male gaze in an official publication. That's the difference. Roberts has assured people we have nothing to worry about regarding Nautica so I expect I will have no problem with the art even if I would have preferred a better artist get the job, like Sarah Stone.

Right, and it's just a coincidence the whole frame is composed to give us a look at he inexplixably curvy buttocks and robo-panties under her skirt.

 

Sorry, but I don't see people bending over just to look over a railing.

And like it's been stated, Flareup has a curvy, humanoid ass, while Chromia has panels.

 

I own the toy, let me tell you that on model.

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No real reason i should be getting such a good shot of Chromia's crotch ether, thats just how the art goes.

I'm not saying it wasn't titillating, But its not over the top or extraneous to the point its worth bitching about.

 

There is nothing remotely sexualized about Chromia in that panel. That isn't even a crotch shot. All you've established is that you can't tell teh difference between female anatomy being on panel and female anatomy being sexualized.

 

Exactly. If it WAS sexualized, then she'd be spreading her legs. But it just happens to have her crotch in frame to get a view of Rattrap.

 

No, that isn't what it means. My stance is quite consistent, no smutty art in official TF publications. For me to be a hypocrite I would have to be saying no smut in MTMTE while championing smut in RiD or Windblade or something.

And you continue to illustrate you can't tell the difference between anatomy being depicted and anatomy being sexualized. Also if you think that resembled a dick in anything other than general location you need to get yourself to a doctor.

 

Hound89... you're kinda grasping at straw here, man. Like Hydra Custom said that Sakamoto drew the fembots that way on purpose earlier in the thread...

 

and like i said, i don't doubt they were drawn to titillate, but they were legitimate poses, they weren't poses out of the ordinary or any thing worth complaining about.

Additionally, Artist (and writers) should be allowed to create what ever they want, not have to make every thing as stale and lifeless as they can because god forbid some one be offended cause you saw a robots ass a little to clearly.

Yes be cause you don't know what a buldge is right?

that dirft cover is sexualized.

but again hypocrisy so no surprise there from you.

 

I don't even think it's a fair comparison. Hayato himself admitted that the art of the BotCon comic played up the sexy aspect of female characters because he wanted to emphasize the exaggerated nature of the story.

His words were, "I rewatched Pirates of the Caribbean, and tailored my work to have about the level of sexiness that you'd see in that, a PG-13 adventure movie."

What makes anyone think he'd use the same style in a medium that isn't that tone? His depiction of Erik as Overlord was extremely respectful, and his art for the cover of the upcoming TCC Gobots story had 2 female characters with non-typical body types (Small Foot, Path Finder).

So how about people wait and see how he depicts female characters in MtMtE 39, and then decide whether to be angry?

And yeah, that really is some Drift dong right there. But hey, why not, once in a while?

 

I'm looking forward to it. His art's pretty good, and he's a huge fan, congrats to him for living the dream

 

the way he draws femmebots is highly questionable, but as far as artistic talent goes I'd say he's better than Andrew Griffith and miles above Livio. if they can get work in the mainstream books, I dont really have a problem with him being in one (though hopefully someone uh, keeps him in check around Nautica)

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Flare-up's railing pose. It's the camera angle amplified by the Prime Arcee buttflap that created the "sexualization".

And I'll go ahead and trigger some people by saying there's nothing wrong with sexualization of the female figure. The male figure is sexualized and depicted at an impossible body standard just as much. Wanna know why? Because the human body in fitness is an absolute joy to look at, whether you're male OR female. I imagine it's also a great joy to draw, but I suck at drawing so I can't back that up.

I'll admit I'm jealous of all the Fabio-esque guys on the covers of romance novels. I WANT to look that good. I just lack the drive, and that's no one's fault but my own. Does that mean I should get upset at those covers and start trying to get them censored? Hell no. Art is art, and it should never be censored because people can't stand the thought of others liking a drawing of a flat robot butt.

If she had asscheeks hanging out, I agree that's too far. But she doesn't. Can we drop the Dumblr-brand not-feminism now?

 

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