Bombusbee / Devil Savior Movie Devastator

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Operative294, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. Sephiroth169

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    It is how business works my Friend.

    As a Business Man,
    i can say that from Experience.

    If you want to screw your Customers and make them leave for good, take the Money and remain silent on your Products.

    Repeat that, and Customers will never come back. As much as i love UT and TW Products,
    Their "Silent" Tactic always angers Collectors that are waiting for the Product.

    At least Devil Saviour seems to understand how this Business really works.

    So Yes, in my Opinion they Deserve a good Start Up and success with their Products.
     
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    Well these third parties are doing this as a side gig while running fully functional factories for other things, they can survive without us. So with them being fans who want to get designs out, they owe us nothing, and if they felt like it, could easily just stop half way through the set. Not like we can legally do anything to them, and it’s not like they NEED us.
     
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    Concerning the success of the Figures,
    from what i saw so far, People buy these Figures like Crazy.

    ShowZStore restocked Mixmaster and Scavenger Multiple times now.

    Also most of the Youtube Comments were Positiv at the Split Test Sample reviews.

    Mostly comments like "I need this"

    Put some Black Transformation Magic
    into your Figures and People buy like crazy.

    Someone contact Devil Saviour; i want them to create TF5 Dragon and Infernocus Combiner :) 
     
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    I'm glad this is coming out, but I'm not interested in the whole. Rather, those individual bots look like snacks. And with some of them at 70 dollars, they look like good deals. So, I greatly await the release of the mix master, and can't wait to see how good the products are.:) 
     
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    I mean not saying the figure is bad, or that it shouldn’t impress people, but black magic is a massive stretch... especially with THAT on his ass.
    7EA26D24-9D3B-4F79-A941-233E2E262272.jpeg
     
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    Yes, they are pretty good SS+ style figures that I hope pave the way for a truly black magic MP style movie Devastator!

    They're good for what they are, a better version of their SS counterparts. I hope UT or Toyworld make a MPM version in the future.
     
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    Does anyone here comprehend that if theyre were MPM:

    Long Haul and Rampage would be physically impossible to be similar sized legs

    Scavenger would be massive compared to the others, probably cost upwards of 250-300 dollars, and be impossible to combine

    Long Haul would have the exact same problem as Scavenger

    Mixmaster would be way too small to form
    the head

    Heres the best scale chart I found: 5A541DAA-B012-4156-A939-EB20F940F2DE.jpeg

    keep this chart in mind with that Devil Saviour Split is roughly MPM scale and I believe is $145

    This is besides the fact that devastator would be so incredibly big that no one would have space for him, especially as he’s on all fours, and would extremely badly proportioned
     
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    As impressive as this set is/will be, it\'ll blow Hasbro\'s SS Devastator out of the water, I just can\'t get over the scaling.  Yes I know, if everything was properly scaled to each other, this figure wouldn\'t even come close to combining.  I know.  But that\'s one thing I really dislike about many movie figures. 

    But man do I love the detail on these devil savior figures.  Hasbro\'s Devastator will look like garbage when combined. 
     
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    That scale chart is all wrong... Besides, if FT can do a CITY BOT, why couldn't we have a "close enough" scaled Devastator?

    And the "yellow leg" of Devastator is formed by two bots...

    Edit:
    This man managed to make a movie Devastator with "somewhat in scale" components made out of LEGOS and the result is huge... So it is possible.

     
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    The way I would do it if I were a designer is to store part of the head and neck grinder in Demolisher so Mixmaster could be smaller. Then I'd use concept art to create two more constucticons. One to combine with Rampage for a leg equal in mass to Long Haul, and one to combine with Scrapper. But alas, I am not a designer lol
     
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    “That scale chart” is the official movie one lmao

    I see your point with Fort Max but:
    A. That is basically two figures: Cerebros, who turns into the head, and Fort Max himself who just turns into himself laying down with some panels shifted to make a base.
    This is compared to at least 8 (with more obviously needed) triple changing BAYFORMERS. The difference in piece count and amount of engineering will be astronomical leading to a way higher price. I guarantee you FT-40 will be cheaper than the full Devil Saviour Devvy
    B: the display problem: Lots of these combiners are easy to display because albeit them being heavy or tall, theyre largely vertical pieces. Devastator would be tall, wide, and long. A massive rectangular prism thats thin but tall is always going to be easier to display than a massive cube of the same height

    on top of this the Lego example is designed to be like the Supreme class one where it just goes from vehicle to combined, having all 3 modes is a totally different animal
     
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    I have seen that Video before.

    I have the highest Form of Respect for these guys, the Lego guy, as well as the Engineers from Unique Toys and DS.

    These must be Real Genius to create something like that.

    Imagination and a good CGI 3D Computer Program is not enough to create something like this.

    I would say the Lego one is also
    "Black Magic"

    Because if you make the SMALLEST Mistake or wrong Calculation at the Stage of Creation with this "Inside Out Black Magic", the entire Figure or Combiner could end up in an entire Mess.

    So yes, i love and have the highest Respect for Unique Toys and Devil Saviours Inside Out Magic, as well as for the Lego guy
     
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    Yeah Aranobilis98 is incredible

    Everyone who hasnt seen his Lego transformers stuff before DEFINITELY go check it out
     
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    The sizes are all over the place it doesn't make any sense, not a direct attack to you, but I think that chart is wrong even if is official.

    My point still stands true, it is made out of LEGOs! So a well designed combiner is quite possible. 3P (and Takara) companies have show us that it's a matter of how much you are willing to spend, because the engineering and materials are there.
     
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    It would seem that you believe you are in the company of reasonable and rational folk who will consider valid, logical points...
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    I think it being official even further drives home that the scale between these characters is ridiculous

    Long Haul, an absolute behemoth who dwarfs most characters, and Rampage, a skinny Bumblebee sized dude somehow form the same sized leg???

    and it gets even more confusing when random constructicons are different sizes within the movie
     
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    My general rule for movie bots is to have the Decepticons be significantly larger than the Autobots unless they are a car bot. Saves me the pain of complaining about alt mode sizes and how the team behind the movies didn't give a shit.
     
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    It is Black Magic, NOT Godly Magic :) 

    Inside Out Magic has its Limits.
    ESPECIALLY When 1 Bot has 4 Modes.


    I can see no other Way to hide the huge Face
    inside Mixmaster, it must be the Cab.

    Of course....they could have made a Partsformer, where the entire Cab can just be removed >> Dang, Back Pack Removable

    But then, again, some Fans start to complain
    "huuu nooooo, i do not want a Parts Former,
    i will not buy this"

    You see the Problem? Most People want the
    Limbs directly to combine with each other, without remove or attach Parts before that.
     
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    What about the cab becoming parts of the body and or legs? UT, TW, fanstoys,and a few others show that slapping a cab on the back and saying "eh better than nothing" isn't what black magic is. UT making a galvatron where the entire cab and truck are hidden, or TW and their optimus that's extremely clean. The problem is more in the designers than the design at this point. The cab isn't part of the robot's design? hide it. make it turn into other parts of the robot. This really just feels to me like they wanted to follow the rotf figure and couldn't stray too far from it so they didn't bother solving the cab issue. As to making sure the combined face is in it? you can easily make that a separate part. would some complain? sure. Would someone who's willing to spend $600+ on a movie devestator care that much about it having to be incorporated? unlikely.
     
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    Yeah, I'm going to be patient and work on other aspects of my collection while we see how these turn out...