Beast Wars Masterpiece Blackarachnia MP46

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  1. Dachande

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    She is easily still my favorite non-Shockwave Masterpiece ever.
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    That is a wonderful painting. Please tell me that’s actual art and not a photo effect. I love the thought of someone using Blackarachnia as a life drawing model with obligatory classy drapes in the background.
     
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  3. Dachande

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    Sorry, it actually is a photo effect.
    And now you make me want to do an actual painting.
     
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    Now I kind of hate technology for being able to do this but screw it, I’m gonna go pose my Blackarachnia sitting with her legs dangling off the shelf now. She’s been lying down for too long.
     
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    I got a text yesterday saying that she was going to show up today. Got all excited, but no. She never showed. Checked the amazon tracking and it says she’ll be here Monday. What the hell?
     
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    Looks like late arrivals is a pattern for this figure lately.
     
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    Funny thing- the text from yesterday said she was in Ohio. But the tracking number said she was still in Japan today.
    Oh well. What’s a few more days?
     
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    I see... you might be right and that is sort of what I meant by 'muddying the waters', they didn't make compromises to her aesthetics/show accuracy to play up the cross over appeal, maybe her 'failure' to tap into that market had an effect of how Arcee turned out? In that case I'm glad we got BA first... That said though if BA, who actually has the exaggerated 'naked lady' body required, didn't work why do TT think giving Arcee one is going to?

    To be honest don't really buy your theory, I reckon her mess of an alt-mode rather high price, SLIGHTLY lower popularity as a character to previous releases and arachnophobia were likely larger factors in any perceived lack of sales than lack of 'cross over' appeal.
     
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  9. Fafnir72

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    Maybe there just isn't enough BW fans to support the product? I don't think it was because she wuzz just a guyl :lol  type robot. The other MP BW brothers are fairly popular with cross appeal from G1 fans (me included though I also own BW). Maybe a mix of many factors (BB was also released almost simultaneously with her and Hound).
     
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    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    I guess we'll see with Tigatron, unlike G1 they front loaded BW with their heavy hitters right off the bat, it's hard to say if it's a good or bad thing yet. They may end up jumping all over, the survey questions made it seem they were already looking at other branches of BW. Just surprised, after the previous BW releases dried up pretty quick. Primal is like $200 now.,
     
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    Blackarachnia is still arguable 'top tear' but I'd agree that they have 'front loaded' the Beast Wars MP 'line' (although I'd argue they did the same with G1) and she is marginally less popular than the previous four (try telling that to the folks over at the Beast Wars Masterpiece Speculation thread!). Tigatron will test this theory for sure, which is why (and again this is a controversial point) I think they went with a Tigatron (who although a totally NEW mould) likely shares some R&D, CAD design work, MAYBE some transformation elements and MAYBE some slightly re-sculpted/designed 'upscaled parts' etc etc (PLEASE DON'T @ ME) with Cheetor, and therefore not be as much of a risk for them if he doesn't sell well.

    My personal opinion is although it's entirely possible TT may eventually 'finish' season one of Beast Wars they are more likely to jump about a bit doing the big hitters across the entire franchise and maybe even go back to do new versions of older BW MPs from time to time. I know G1 and BW are difficult to compare due G1's extensive roster of show characters in comparison to BW's much more limited one but it's currently the only model we have. That started with heavy hitters and their repaints and it was a fair while before the dipped their toe into anything you might consider b-list, and before hitting the less popular characters considered 'essential' to 'finish' season 1/2 they've returned to redo previous releases a number of times.
     
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    *keystrokes*

    But seriously, at the very least Tigatron requires entirely new moulds because of his size. Whatever paltry legwork was saved in CAD from the few identical robot parts he and Cheetor share, it’d all be eaten up by the slew of new pieces and size.

    You don’t buffer against poor sales by making an entirely new figure, you do a Road Rage or a Targetmaster Hot Rodimus, something small and simple. If Tigatron was some attempt to minimize risk then he failed by virtue of the figure still being 100% unique tooling. It’s like saying Ultra Magnus’ R&D was cut down because he shares MP-10’s cab design.

    No expense was spared on big cat, which is great of course. The issue with Blackarachnia is that- and I fucking love this figure -to anyone who’s not familiar with the show model and it’s impossible task of marrying her two modes into one figure, the spider mode compromises are too much. Compare to a G1 MP which usually have flawless alt modes at the expense of kibble-y robot modes. A robot still looks like a robot even with a backpack, but that spider ain’t a spider to the non-BW-savvy. We understand the bot mode was given priority given the impossibility of the transformation and importance of the character, but would the average Japanese TF fan realize that?
     
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    I’m definitely not BW savvy (never watched the show in fact, though I may rectify that soon), but for what it’s worth I still find Blackarachnia to be a pretty great figure. The spider mode isn’t great by any means but for it’s size I think it looks pretty good, though I may just have low standards. Just looking at it from a general TF fan perspective it’s still a really neat figure, but I’m not Japanese so maybe there’s some difference there.
     
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    I don't think they are buffering against poor sales just yet! I don't really buy that BA was a huge flop or anything, just maybe not as big a hit as previous releases. I think they are dipping their toe into more 'obscure' characters with Tigatron and agree with me or not (we've had this discussion and I have no appetite to have it again) I still believe and feel there's some grounds to believe it was less work/cheaper to create Tigatron than it would have been to do say Terrorsaur or Scoponok. Whatever new mould they decided to design they'd need new pieces, at least this one shares some elements with a previous one that can be transferred/repurposed. I don't disagree that a repaint would be cheaper but IMO Tigatron is towards the top end of the scale of expenditure between a straight repaint and a totally brand new and entirely different mould. More expensive than the former for sure but slightly cheaper than the latter. Again you don't have to agree with me, its not mandatory ;) 

    I'm also not suggesting that they cheaped out on Tigatron, I'm delighted that they went as far as they did in totally re-designing him (even it I'm not 100% on board with all those deign choices) and giving him the new mould he deserved to be considered a proper Masterpiece. You are right no expense was spared, but my personal believe is some money was saved by virtue of already having Cheetor under their belt.
     
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    What's making people think BA wasn't a success? She's sold out at Amazon Japan at least.
     
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    2ndary market prices?
     
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    Largely conjecture based on availability and price. You can still get her fairly easily at a reasonable prices, therefore she possibly wasn't a massive hit. It's hardly conclusive.
     
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    Fair enough. She does appear to be sold out in most Japanese online stores. But yeah, she can still be had for decent prices on the secondary market here in Japan.
     
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  19. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    I don't think she sold poorly, I just don't think she ended up as selling as impressively as previous BWMPs,based on her secondary prices. It may be a thing outside of the big 3 and probably Rhinox,Raptrao and Waspinator the rest of the cast need some help, they announce a Silverbolt or Tarantulus and her secondary price and demand shoots up.
     
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    She's far from a failure. I wouldn't be surprised if she suddenly dries up and her prices jack up like they have with Primal. She uses the same body for 3 seasons, is a fantastic companion piece to 2 other popular characters in the show, and she is one of the first breakout characters from the show. She's also popular enough to have gotten a KO on the market now too so I'm sure that has affected the price people may be willing to pay for an original.
     
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