Bayverse Starscream is the worst Starscream in the TF Franchise.

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Jalen Frisby, Nov 11, 2020.

  1. Jalen Frisby

    Jalen Frisby BumblebeeLover

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2018
    Posts:
    245
    Trophy Points:
    107
    Likes:
    +350
    Ebay:
    Facebook:
    Twitter:
    Google+:
    YouTube:
    Yeah, pretty obvious huh? But like this starscream has a pretty bad design. It's ugly, it's too grayish, and he spits a whole damn lot. it's just..ugh!

    Now Personality-wise, aside from the voice(Charlie alder is amazing), the aircraft transformation, and being a coward. this Starscream is pretty flat. Like, where the hell is Starscream who's a traitor, and tries to overthrow megatron? We only get a hint of that in the first film, where they make it ambiguous he was one of the F-22's shooting at megatron. In Revenge of the fallen, he doesn't do anything that resembles's starscream, and even in Dotm, unless you can't the sarcastic ass-kissing to Megatron.

    He also goes out like a wimp. and it's embarrassing. The comics and video games do a better job showcasing his traitorous nature. Just goes to show that the writing for these movies are ass.

    Do i have anything positive to say about Scream though? Yes. He was badass in the first film, despite his limited screentime, he was shown to be a legitimate threat, to the point Ironhide shit his metaphorical pants, and blew up Bee's leg. Let me know what you guys think
     
    • Like Like x 4
  2. Novaburnhilde

    Novaburnhilde ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2013
    Posts:
    11,308
    News Credits:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Likes:
    +12,244
    Yup, pretty much.

    As you accurately point out the comics and games at least made more of an effort to have him behave as Starscream, and as a result I find those ones to be a lot more memorable from those games than any of the actual films.

    I give the movies a hard time (and rightfully so) but we got some decent comics out of them, so there's that.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Smokeyoreo18

    Smokeyoreo18 Ironically doesn’t like Oreos

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2019
    Posts:
    4,481
    News Credits:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Location:
    Somewhere
    Likes:
    +10,165
    YouTube:
    Imo he was one of the very few good things from the movies, but like a lot of the decepticons in the bay movies he was really underused. He had a great voice actor and an amazing design imo, but they barely did anything with him, and he died in a pathetic way at least the games did something with him, but overall I say that he’s better than the armada/energon starscream which is a very low bar to cross ( don’t @ me plz)
     
    • Like Like x 3
  4. TheDude810

    TheDude810 I have an unhealthy obsession with the RotF Game

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2019
    Posts:
    1,207
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +5,727
    He was alright. I liked him personally but he really wasn’t anything too special. Would have liked to have seen him do more in the films.

    However, stuff like the IDW run, the games, and the novels like Ghosts of Yesterday made me really like him a lot more. I tend to like the extended media representations of the characters more than the film ones, as it actually focuses on the important shit. Cuts out that pot brownie stuff.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
  5. Nova Maximus

    Nova Maximus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2020
    Posts:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Likes:
    +6,355
    IDW's "The Reign of Starscream" made me realize I wouldn't have had a problem with the designs if the writing and characters were good.
    12.jpg
    13.jpg
     
    • Like Like x 10
  6. TheDude810

    TheDude810 I have an unhealthy obsession with the RotF Game

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2019
    Posts:
    1,207
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +5,727
    I know it’s probably not financially feasible, but I would honestly love a comic continuation of the Bay films since they’re probably not going to make another movie.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  7. Furnace

    Furnace Ant-droid at a picnic

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2014
    Posts:
    2,037
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +2,392
    Absolutely agreed! The Reign of Starscream is my favorite piece of Bayverse fiction (and one of my favorite pieces of TF fiction in general).
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. Arrogant Arachnid

    Arrogant Arachnid perma pissed off edgelord

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2019
    Posts:
    1,904
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +3,417
    What's are the two things Starscream is most known for?
    1. He's a treacherous shithead
    2. He's the leader of the Seekers

    He's not evenly slightly treacherous and the Seekers don't exist
    Yeah, bet

    To praise the DS game some more, that one was pretty much all about Starscream and him desperately clinging on to staying in charge. And then when Megatron is revived and the Decepticons turn against them he kills 2 of them, mortally wounds another and then fights Megatron 1 on 1.
    Like he's not around that much in the game but when he is he carries all the presence he needs
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2020
  9. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    1,653
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Likes:
    +2,735
    Personally, I never felt there was ever a worst Starscream. Sure, some were mishandled (looking at you, Prime Wars), but they all managed to keep the essence of the character intact.

    The only problem with this Starscream is his underuse (especially in the first flick), but other than that, he was genuinely the best part in the first three flicks. The humor in the Bay flicks was very looooooow-brow, but honestly, the humor of Starscream always worked for me. Him basically getting beaten and kicked around is just as much fun as it was in the G1 cartoon.

    That being said, although he never openly defied Megatron, there is a bit of nuance with him in his sycophantic behavior and constant hand-rubbing. Of course, this is just me, but whenever he basically rubbed his hands and bowed to Megatron, I always got a sort of Peter Lorre vibe out of him (which really made me think that he was just planning for the long term). Especially when he kinda 'comforts' Megatron about looking so wounded and weak, but in the way he is moving and the delivery of the performance, it did make me think that he was just pretending to be sympathetic and wanted to get into Megatron's skin.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but honestly, Starscream for me was the most expressive and fun character of the first three Bay flicks. Charlie Adler's quirky acting and the way the animators added so much personality to his movements really made me enjoy Starscream despite his limited time.

    The video games, however... they really managed to use Starscream more and they used him really well. I just wish he hadn't been pitch shifted in the ROTF game, but he still was pretty well written and had some really good dialogue.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2020
    • Like Like x 8
  10. Beastwarsfan95

    Beastwarsfan95 What to type here?

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2014
    Posts:
    14,353
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Likes:
    +22,950
    The movies are like Star Wars, the best aspects about it are the expanded lore rather than the core films.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. TonyStink

    TonyStink AKA Mr. E.

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2020
    Posts:
    950
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Location:
    Hell
    Likes:
    +1,100
    Yeah, I can't disagree with this.
    Points off for:
    • Chicken legs
    • Colouration
    • Overall ugliness
    • Unhygienic
    • Pretty useless
    • Stupid
    • Is far from a Starscream, save for Armada Screamer.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. zark225

    zark225 The Day Fukr

    Joined:
    May 29, 2009
    Posts:
    2,280
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Likes:
    +2,377
    Ebay:
    He is far from the worst, although I can’t really think of a bad Starscream aside from maybe Prime Wars or Energon.

    Also, BIG disagree on the design. It definitely isn’t for everyone but I absolutely love it. Character wise there sadly isn’t much to him but that is a symptom of the films as a whole rather than just Starscream. Charlie Adler’s voice acting was perfect though, I think his performance helps make up for any lack of character.

    Bay Starscream is fantastic in the video games and comics though. Reign of Starscream is one of my favorite TF comics out there and really helped me like the character even more.
     
    • Like Like x 7
  13. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    87,403
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +52,548
    Starscream's design is great. In the first movie he was badass. I bet he'd be a lot better recieved if he wasn't touting a name with as much pedigree as "Starscream." Call him something like Sky Shadow, keep the same deep distorted voice from TF1, drop the sniveling incompetence and grovelling, and just have him be a cool, commanding enforcer for Megatron.
     
    • Like Like x 8
  14. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout Dukeup Nukhead

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Posts:
    37,980
    Trophy Points:
    392
    Location:
    [REDACTED]
    Likes:
    +21,031
    Maybe a lot of complaints about the film's portrayal of characters might have been avoided if they'd simply not used the names of the core cast. Obviously they had to but something perhaps like Rescue Bots where the focus group doesn't actually rely on OP and Bumbles, or the bad guys being Megatron and Screamer.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. HispasatBot

    HispasatBot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2020
    Posts:
    357
    Trophy Points:
    122
    Likes:
    +273
    I liked him in Transformers: The Game, but he was terrible in the movies. Worse than Energon/Superlink Starscream.
     
  16. GeoSociety

    GeoSociety Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2018
    Posts:
    380
    Trophy Points:
    132
    Likes:
    +932
    For as bad justice ROTF and DOTM did him I think the one thing they nailed on him was the "sometimes cowards survive" quote, felt like a straight up classic Starscream quote.

    Reign of Starscream comic is definitely movie Scream at his peak, every now and then I still like to read that one despite being a Bay comic.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. Insurgent

    Insurgent Big Red Fire Snorting Dragon

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2017
    Posts:
    5,147
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Location:
    Bonnie Ol' England
    Likes:
    +23,626
    This is how I always saw him. He's constantly being sarcastic and snide to Megatron and getting away with what he can. And at the end of rotf, even manages to call him a coward to his face and gets away with it. He's not a bad starscream, he's just very underused and never got to really flex his wings. Metaphorically.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  18. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    1,653
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Likes:
    +2,735
    Oh, yeah. The underuse really did him a disservice, really. In fact, I think out of all the Bayformers characters, Screamer has a lot more subtlety and small touches in his moves and performance despite his underuse, and I guess that is why I enjoyed him so much when he was on-screen. Plus, at least he felt like his own character, whereas all the other Decepticons were almost like snarling generic beasts.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. rego0012

    rego0012 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2010
    Posts:
    1,726
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Likes:
    +1,364
    All of the movie characters are “the worst” version of themselves
     
  20. Shady boi

    Shady boi Face taking enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2020
    Posts:
    720
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Location:
    Velocitron
    Likes:
    +1,062
    Ebay:
    Twitter:
    Instagram:
    I heavily disagree but respect your opinion.
     
    • Like Like x 4