Avengers and Transformers

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Dotmshockwave, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. electronic456

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    Huh? I thought it was Optimus who split Megatron's head off first. Oh yeah that mind wasn't dead as they thought.

    Comparing Megatron to a lemon? A lemon has no brain.....

    EDIT: I'm sorry, I meant the plan to be reborn not the plan that failed with him having his head split.
     
  2. Chris James

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    I think movie Megs was decent/serviceable, but the problem is those are the terms you want to describe Megatron. He had some nice moments and I loved his manipulation of KSI but we just never get to see him take center stage. He's either not on screen enough or taking the back seat to another villain.

    I do think Galvatron was a step in the right direction.
     
  3. Galvatron II

    Galvatron II I can type whatever here?

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    I get that the Marvel movies don't have the best history with villains, but the reason why is that almost all the central conflicts of each movie are internal instead of external. Iron Man being forced to come up against the destructive effects of his own apathetic existence, or his daddy issues (ugggghhhhh), or his insecurities about his own masculinity. Or Thor dealing with the incongruity of the realities of leadership with his brash, over zealous attitudes about Asguard's enemies. Or the Guardians of the Galaxy having to learn how to get over themselves and come together as a family.

    And the reasons the villains in those films are all fairly unremarkable is because they're little more than catalysts to push the protagonists through those arcs. That's all the narrative needs them to be.

    And are we really gonna pretend that Loki isn't the vital lynchpin that holds together the entirety of the Avengers? If we don't understand him, if we don't feel that threat, if he doesn't push everyone in just the right way, then there's just no movie there. He creates the entirety of that movie's dramatic propulsion. Literally. Every. Single. Bit.

    Plus, the Captain America movies haven't been that traditional in the way they go about their narrative arcs. They aren't about Steve going up against his demons. Captain America is the moral center, and everyone around him is a counterpoint. So those movies aren't so much a hero's journey as they are philosophical arguments literalized through narrative. And as such, the villains come into their own there. Red Skull and Alexandar Pierce are both great villains because of how they clash with Steve Rogers' fundamental decency.
     
  4. TheSoundwave

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    There's one big reason why Ultron beats Bay's villains:

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  5. NotRamjet97

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    That...doesn't even make sense...
     
  6. TheSoundwave

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    In the trailer, they're playing "I've got no strings" song in the background. Get it? Ultron's free, but Galvatron's a puppet at Michael Bay's mercy, lol!
     
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    Then by that logic, Ultron's Joss Whedon's puppet.
     
  8. Autobot Burnout

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    And by that logic, you don't even understand how that analogy works because half the reason Ultron is coming across so well in the trailer is just how much Spader owns that voice acting role.

    Megatron's always sounded phoned in (and this was literally true in the case of the first film, all of Hugo Weaving's lines were directed by Bay over the phone) when compared to Spader breathing life into a robot who has a high bar to meet when it comes to standing up against guys like Red Skull and Ronan the Accuser.
     
  9. Hound89

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    Hugo Weaving Half assing it was still damn amazing, and you cant Say Welker Didn't do a great job in Aoe (or Nimoy as Sentinel or The guy they got for Lockdown).

    Any way this wouldn't be the first time marvel did some thing that made people go "hey didn't transformers do some thing really similar..."

    It's funny how transformers feels more like Competition to Marvel then Dc dose;) 
     
  10. Beastwarsfan95

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    Have to disagree with you about lockdown, but megs was great, until he became galvs.
     
  11. Hound89

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    You didn't Like Mark Ryan as Lockdown?
     
  12. Beastwarsfan95

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    I didn't like lockdown period.
     
  13. Chris James

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    Explanation needed.
     
  14. Beastwarsfan95

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    Explanation:

    A. Hes ugly

    B. He's kinda a butt.

    C. He's a coward.

    D. He's pretty much the "creators" earren boy.

    F. He had cringe worthy lines.
     
  15. Hound89

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    he duel Optimus prime at the end and almost one hows that make him a coward
     
  16. UltraAlanMagnus

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    Dont forget that he's also pretty terrifying when he walks.
     
  17. Beastwarsfan95

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    He spent most of the movie in "his" ship. He also pinned prime to a wall and decided to taunt humans instead, plus he had to have human help just to deal with ratchet.
     
  18. Chris James

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    I'm not sure why D is a negative and A,B and F are opinions I don't agree with.

    But C. calling him a coward doesn't really make much sense given what we saw of him.
     
  19. Hound89

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    The humans had ratchet already, Lockdown was there to try and get info.
     
  20. Chopperface

    Chopperface Chadwick Forever

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    A. Opinion.
    B. He's a villain, but far from being the nastiest villain in the films. He's actually rather brisk and professional, even if he's occasionally condescending. Did you expect him to smile and serve Attinger tea?
    C. Nope.
    D. Duh. They hired him to bring him in. He's a bounty hunter, it's his job.
    F. Also opinion.

    Because he didn't give a shit about the war or anything, he only cared about getting Optimus. He didn't get actively involved unless opportunities to get Optimus or info on him arose.

    He pinned Optimus to a wall because he still needed him alive, he was just incapacitating him again so he could recapture him. He only went after the humans when they interfered with his mission.

    And no, CW was the one dealing with Ratchet. Lockdown lurked and when he heard Ratchet had heard from Optimus, then he sniped him and subsequently asked for information. He was really only there for information.

    I mean, did you watch the movie?