If that happens, we'll never see Nick next to Downey, Ruffalo, Evans or Hemsworth. IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE!!! As for Superman Lives,
Damn Tekkaman, I read the whole thing. THE WHOLE THING. Aww man, it's late. Though there are all sorts of things Michael Bay has done that we could disagree with, I have to respect him for bowing out of this nightmare because it clearly violated what Superman is. It also sucks how almost everyone at WB was basically sucking Peters cock, and guys like Donner, Shamallamallamalan (who needs to improve), and Silver, knew what was right for Supes but were shut down at square one. And Nic Cage does not make a good Superman. You need someone who's a real Man's man. A tall robust guy with great hair that oozes so much manliness, that other manly men back away in fear. Yet at the same time, this manly man also needs to appear friendly and inviting enough that anyone could approach him and call him friend. When I think Superman, I think of the old 1940's animated Supes, George Reeves, and the DC Anmiated Superman. A guy who could stick his chest out and still look like Kent when in a business suit. Looking at Man of Steel, I can clearly see elements of the many Superman Lives rewrites in it. We've got Zod, warring Kryptonians, talking robots fighting mutant cyborg war beasts on Krypton (look up the concept art and scrapped scenes for this one), intricate metal armored suits adorned with S/family crest symbols, a spaceship, an alien suit, a superman confused, afraid, and ashamed of his powers, stuff happening in the arctic, a costume that's a little bit off the original design, other living Kryptonians, EVIL Kryptonians, EVIL Kryptonians that want to conquer Earth, and a giant fucking spider-like thing. So yeah, many similarities, heck, probably the same ideas, but they're more refined and don't seem anywhere near as horrible as originally conceived. As crazy as these ideas pitched in Hollywood meeting rooms sound, they don't seem so bad when they're altered enough to actually work. And I can see where Peters is coming from with having stuff in the movie to sell toys. Even though he comes off sounding like a crazy bastard, they have to have something in there for the merchandise and toy companies to make products of otherwise they won't see Superman as a property worth making products for. Just think of all the cool movies that never got toys. And as for the whole Brainiac combining with Luthor bit, we actually got that in the Justice League cartoon, although once again, pulled off much better in the form of a super Brainiac with Luthor's features. That event also gave us one of the best Flash moments in DC's animated history. To me, Peters & everyone else kissing his ass come off as being more harmful to Superman than helpful in their never ending battle to revive the films. I mean, as long as they keep the Superman origin and overall story true to it's roots, they can still implement some of their ideas and have these ideas be seen as new adventures of the man of steel for us to explore. But yeah, the brainiac/luthor slug beast, gay Jimmy, badass gay robot companion, pregnant Lois seduced by slug Luthor, superman suit which grants powers, emo superman, intact Krypton & existing kryptonite, never seen again kryptonite bleeding doomsday, the list goes on. Just..these ideas..no. FUCK NO. *face palm/shakes head in disgust*
I just read Tekkaman Blade's post. I had been following the Superman movie news since the late 1990s, and TB's post is the BEST concise summary I've seen! Kudos! I very much enjoyed reading it. I think it's hilarious that other Superman projects poked fun of Superman Lives. The Superman: Doomsday DVD movie had the toyman create a giant spider mecha, and a Kevin Smith lookalike says it's stupid. Superman Returns had a newspaper closeup titled "Superman Dies" and right next to it, "Superman Lives." Edit: OOPS! I originally started this post with "I just WROTE Tekkaman Blade's post." My apologies! I meant to say I just READ the post.
I didn't write it, I saved it off a web page years ago. I wish I had gotten the original thread that went into the reeve movies and how bad the producers of that film were. They released a book, but it was heavily sanitized compared to the original post. Which revealed every dirty secret and story.
I would've paid to see it. This is what Tim Burton does, and sometime it works, othertimes, not so much. Even if it was an utter travesty, I don't see the big deal. We already had a great Superman movie, a bad one isn't going to make that go away.
Tekkaman Blade: I made a typo! I originally started my post with "I just WROTE Tekkaman Blade's post." My apologies! I meant to say I just READ the post.
let's not be ridiculous. Man of Steel took a few small chances with the material with average results. It wasn't some demented gamble that threatened to be a colossal fuckup but with the slimmest chance of coming together into some glorious vision.
@JonSchnepp: The Teaser Trailer for my upcoming Documentary "The Death of Superman Lives: What Happened?" will be online this Friday, August 30th. From twitter
no no. it really is. even right down to the spiders. they were spaceships. but the spiders were there. even the "suits" that the kryptonians were going to wear, WERE there. i am not talking about plot wise, but more of, aesthetics. it might not be superman lives, plot wise, but aesthetics, they took it right from superman lives.
The Kevin Smith Superman Lives script (the one he did before Burton got involved with the project) is here: Kevin Smith Superman Lives Script The Superman Lives script by Wesley Strick (whom Tim Burton hired to rewrite Kevin Smith's script) is here: http://supermanhomepage.com/movies/Superman-Strick.pdf And Superman: Flyby, the Abrams script (with Kryptonian Luthor, etc) is here: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/Superman-JJAbrams.pdf A later draft by Abrams is here: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/Superman-JJAbrams2.pdf
