Correct me if I am wrong but this thread is about regeneration0 not mtmte. If you truly love regeneration1 and want to defend it why not say some positive things about it which we may have overlooked and not say nasty things about other comics or make lazy generalisations about other groups of individuals.

I am pleased that you are seeing great things in these comics and I would like to find out more about what it is you love so much about them and I really wanted to like them and I still have huge amounts of respect for furman for penning his UK and US marvel runs, his great idw run and his beast wars episodes.

I personally believe that criticism should be constructive in that someone creating the piece criticised can make positive steps to improve the piece. If I could offer some rooms for improvement it would be give us and the characters a break from the endless tragedy and high concepts with some light hearted, fun moments or tonal shifts and more focus on likeable or relatable characterisation so we care more about the characters enduring the tragedies and high concepts.

 

Just heard we're getting Buster Witwicky in #0 - colour me interested...

 

People say a lot of things. Simon has said a lot of things through the years. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding just isn't cutting it. You keep saying it's a compressed narrative but the Grimlock story seems to have gone on a lot longer than it should have due to the fact that he has five major plot points still to be finished and only 9 issues left to finish them. That's not to mention if he is going to spend any time showing how this leads itself into Gen 2 or BEast Wars.

The compression is going to come by him jamming all five of these stories into one mashup of a story that will result more in likely to a hugely unsatisfying conclusion... because it's already happened too many times before with many, many mini series that have a finite number in which to tell a story that is ultimately too big for the number it has been allotted.

This isn't hurting the fandom or the franchise, but it has put even more of a dent in Furman's legacy in some eyes, including mine.

Who the hell cares what Bleeding Cool says and what point is this supposed to make? So your saying that another non-transformers comic book based website is not a fan of this comic and because you think their opinion sucks that it proves that the book is actually good?

Do you not know the meaning of the word opinion? How it's a subjective based idea that can neither be proven or unproven as it has no basis on any factual data. It's merely the thought of one based on perception and life history.

at this point I'm just going to say: Didn't you say you had made your point, done your job, and weren't going to post in this thread anymore? Wasn't that on page 2? If you are going to announce that you are going to do something and then don't follow through just makes you lose a lot of credibility with me... even moreso than you continued attacks on "the fandom", TFW, and haters.

I don't think anyone hates Regen 1. I don't care for it but I don't hate it. I don't hate Simon Furman, we find this series missing it's entire reason for existing. The stories are so-so, and I'm basing that on the MArvel stories that had preceded it and only the Marvel stories.

Again, COMPARED TO THE MARVEL TALES THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO PICK UP FROM, IT DOESN'T HOLD UP TO ANY OF THEM AND IS JUST SUBSTANDARD STORYTELLING.

Not comparing it to Roberts MTMTE or Barber's RID, or even Simon's IDW work. I'm basing it on his Marvel work and it's not the same quality nor the same apparent continuity.



Passion for something is great, but when you counter rational criticism with attacks against other creators work, accusations and generalizations, and outright personal attacks it smacks of someone who has very little defense of the material at hand. It's a typical argument misdirection and a fallacy taught in logic class.
They are laying out their reasons for not caring for the work. The criticisms can be harsh, but what the hell does James Roberts have to do with this discussion? Has he been critical of Simon Furman?

I tweeted James months back and told him his writing was making him the next Simon Furman (because regardless of my thoughts on this series, I do respect Simon and hold him in high esteem with all that he has done before. I still consider him the finest Transformers writer ever.) and James was touched by that comment because of his high esteem for Simon.

My point with this interjection? Stop insulting the man and his work. He has nothing to do with the shortcomings of Regeneration 1. Defend the book or simply state what you like and leave the rest alone. It's only inciting hostility and taking this thread into topics outside of Regeneration #0.

Back on topic.
I'm intrigued to see what Buster is up to or how they are incorporating him into the narrative.

Plus, I do like the plan Prime has setup to unite humans and Nebulans. Could be a nice resolution to the Earth tale.

 

I know this from interviews he has done which is strange that his fan base is lobbing baseless insults at Furman (and his fan base) while propping Roberts up as the savior of Transformers. I said that I like Roberts, he is refreshing. I am perplexed why there seems to be a war between the two, especially here. I have given this exact same statement to others that Roberts is enjoying Regeneration One and is a fan of Furman which has in the past erupted into arguments beyond proportion. I come on here and give a pretty good defense of the Gene Key arc and then someone says SUNBOW like that is some sort of defining argument about how old school G1 stories should go down, or NOTHING IS HAPPENING which of course is dumb. In fact NOTHING HAS HAPPENED in MTMTE either in the grand scheme of the War so I don't know what is their point. The Lost Light is a pretty self contained group of Transformers compared to the greater meta narrative, and that is how it is supposed to be. So, don't take me saying NOTHING HAS HAPPENED as an insult to MTMTE (because you know regurgitating TvTroupes is a past time on this thread) but in fact what Robert's narrative is supposed to do. The final argument is MAXIMUM DINOBOTS which of course the series is nothing like and is an unfair characterization meant to score cheap points. I have not or will not score cheap points arguing against MTMTE because I do like the story even if I hate Robert's portrayal of Rodimus which is one of my only real beefs. It doesn't ruin the book for me that said.

Anyways, you all are blowing up what I am saying and not putting it into context. I said that all the criticism on here is unfair and ungenerous toward Furman while I pointed out that the same could be done to MTMTE so be careful if you all think you are the definitive voice for Transformers comics because you all are not and especially Bleeding Cool is not (which was mentioned by someone else as THE premier comic book review place apparently even though everyone laughs at their taste). That said, peace everyone.

 

Please just stop, dude.

Stop overgeneralizing everything. Stop making everything into some kind of war. And while you're at it, stop dissing TVTropes as if that makes you Internet-smart, it is what it is and it still routinely produces insight and analysis vastly superior to anything that you have produced in your time here.

I love Furman. I am his fanbase. I love Roberts. I am his fanbase. You, on the other hand, are like Regeneration One to me: I really want to like you and at certain moments in time you make it extremely difficult.

Stop fighting this imaginary war and join the conversation. I have no idea why you're blathering on about Bleeding Cool and I don't give a crap what someone else said about it god knows when, let it go. We didn't all post on Furman's blog (in fact none of us did), let it go.

 

Let me make this clear. There is no war between Roberts fans and Furman fans. There is an argument between some and Burningsirius.

And I have had my say and will now go back to ignoring those who choose to make arguments.


I'm intrigued by #0. Has there been a list of all the artists working on it?

 

Yup, and more.  

 

Still delighted that Buster is appearing, in some fashion. He was always more of a favourite character to me than Spike.

Boltax and the Deathbringer too? RG1 may not have enthralled me quite so much to date, but it's never too late to have a turnaround...

 

I agree with you 100%,to me the original ended with g2,i`m hoping idw will go out of business along with this mess,all furman is doing is killing classic characters plus mixing uk g2 and us together in this comic also sucks,stick to the us version furman!facebook site has more than one thousand fans who kiss the ground he walks on,maybe furman is using the gene key on them.

 

Wow. Unicron1986. your first post is that? I'm enjoying Regen. Its more appealing than I originally thought it would be. Isn't it amazing how people are expecting Target 2006 from it though?

 

^ Um, no, considering it's from the same writer with 25 years more experience given total creative freedom? What kind of dopey question is that?

I'm still waiting for Perceptor to be executed for murder and treason. While not infected with the Gene Key, he willfully and knowingly infected others, leading to the chaos on the streets.

 

I'm enjoying Regeneraton One.

Wow. Kid. Just calm yourself down there.

 

ok I liked furman`s writing in the original run but this is plain stupidity,he ruined the nucleon concept,killed megatron, ratchet,springer and planet earth,zombified the decepticons and autobots then killed them,g2 is out the window yet the warworld and jhiaxus and rook appear here,killed the last autobot,thunderwing`s remains have matrix power to power up a bunch of energizer bunnies?ark only had autobot casualty from the underbase saga and one decepticon megatron,now it had all the decepticons from that casualty?what a total mess instead of transformers regeneration one it should be called trashedformers ******ed fiasco.

 

^ You're off to a good start here.  

 

Because Megatron totally didn't die like a bajillion times in the Marvel universe right?

I mean yeah there are actual problem with RG1 story and storytelling but killing off characters isn't one of them considering how characters constatnly dropped like flies in the Marvel universe plus it's stupposed to be an ENDING to the Marvel series so killing off the badguys for real is kinda part of the the whole reason we are here isn't it?

 

Yeah, how dare we expect him to write just as good now, as he did 20 years ago.

 

oh I forgot when prime said to magnus that the last autobot made a mistake of bringing him back and that he was not the choosen one but hot rod,i didn`t see hot rod bothering to look for the last autobot in issue 79,he jammed off planet with everyone else,plus adding UK stories mixed with the US stories killed it for me,furman did not bother looking back at the original material but is doing whatever he likes,he turned prime into a cry baby,brought in the beast wars concept of the spark which never existed in the cartoon or comic,and you people know I`m telling the truth,doesn`t anyone of his fans question what he`s doing or are you all so happy with this that you ignore it?furman has made himself the king transformers writer,not,it`s high time he was de-throned

 

^ Sweet Jesus, if you are going to offer writing criticism can you make it so I can read what you write? Capital letters and spaces.

 

if you can`t read that`s your problem.remember furman loves you.

 

^ Evidently you can neither write your own posts nor read mine competently, either. If you can't interact with a Transformers fan forum, re-evaluate your life.