Episode 48 "Hard Knocks" Discussion

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Starscream600, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. Dargor

    Dargor Well-Known Member

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    Even before Megatron was "invited" by Optimus to the Base to solve the Unicron problem, I think it was obvious the decepticon would find its location at some point, forcing them to flee and relocate.
     
  2. shroobmaster

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    You guys are getting your animals all wrong.

    Arcee isn't a bitch.

    Smokescreen is just a pussy.
     
  3. LegoShokwave123

    LegoShokwave123 (-_-)

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    Why? I see no logical reason that someone would stop watching the show because someone found a secret base. After all, it happens in real life so why the slag can't it happen in Prime.

    p.s. Also, it would, or rather will, be an interesting plot twist. .
     
  4. ISleepNow

    ISleepNow Detrimental Robot

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    guess the speculations about beast machines for season 3 were correct after all
     
  5. Raptarrin

    Raptarrin Proud Decepticon

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    I am normally a big Arcee fan, but I have lately been desperately wishing that Optimus would give her the verbal dressing down she deserves. I mean, with all the stupid revenge stunts she pulled in the early part of the season, she has no business talking to Smokescreen that way. She has directly disobeyed orders many times, and the fact that Optimus has let it slide has contributed to her hypocritical attitude toward Smokescreen.
     
  6. TylerMirage

    TylerMirage I vawnt my berdt.

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    I just sort of imagine that when those awkward situations occur in the base, Optimus deliberately turns his back and starts randomly pounding against the keyboard.

    "Oh god, I don't know what to do. Maybe if I look busy they'll forget that I'm their leader and should really do something. Uh, look busy, Prime! Yeah, that's it. Doo-da-doo, here I am typing. Typing away. Looking for relics and shit."
     
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    Raptarrin Proud Decepticon

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    Maybe he is secretly cranking up the Emo music on his headphones and trying to drown his depression in Goth metal.
     
  8. Dargor

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    In fact, one of TFP biggest plot holes is the decepticon´s inability to locate the autobot base from the moment Soundwave aka Spy and Hacker Master photographed the kids (specially considering how easily Silas tracked Jack using Facebook).
     
  9. HoneyPrime

    HoneyPrime ♥♥ Smokescreen ♥♥

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    :lolol 

    I adore Optimus Prime but I still laughed way more than I should have.

    TylerMirage is so full of win.
     
  10. GuardianAngel87

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  11. soundwave142

    soundwave142 Decepticon over-seer

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    I'm thinking orion pax was socially awkward back on cybertron
     
  12. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    I think so too.
     
  13. GuardianAngel87

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    I do, too. A part of me did figure that he just do not get out a whole lot before first meeting Megatronus/Megatron. At least that's how it is in my personal canon.
     
  14. Hypershock

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    I never really got the sense that Smokescreen was being outright cocky. To me, he just seemed like he was rarin' to go and all hyped up and stuff, and in the heat of the moment, he said some stuff that sounded a-holish to the other Autobots but he never meant it as "Hey get outta my way cuz i'm better than you." I think the general idea of Arcee's rant was justified, but the intensity off said rant was wayyyy too high. She misinterpreted Smokescreen's naivete and excitement as outright vanity and therefore got like uber-pissed. She kind of contradicted her point in that she was like "no you need to be a team player and follow optimus" and yet when he tells her to calm down she can just brush him off. They all are kind of hypocritical to a degree because every single member of team prime has disobeyed optimus at some point. Yes, smokescreen is green and he needs to learn the logistics of Autobot behavior on Earth, but he was never knowingly disobeying Optimus based on a tactical decision, or just outright ignoring due to lack of respect like Wheeljack. He's just impetuous a little overexcited.

    In short, both Arcee's and Smokescreen's actions were justified, but i feel Team Prime is overreacting.
     
  15. HoneyPrime

    HoneyPrime ♥♥ Smokescreen ♥♥

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    Nice post.
     
  16. Zorrakh

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    It seems to me like Smokescreen has a little bit of Cheetor and Animated Bumblebee in him. He has the confidence of Season One Cheetor and also has Bumblebee's need to be the "Star Player." However, I think he's more like Cheetor than anyone else, which is nice, and I especially like how he looks up to Optimus and wants to impress him. This could also be because he got whisked through Elite Guard training like a VW Bug through an automated carwash. Arcee was waaaaaay too hard on him, and Optimus knew what was coming. It's a shame that Arcee didn't listen to her own advice about being part of a team: You have to listen to the leader, especially if said leader is Optimus Prime. :D 
     
  17. Hypershock

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    Thank you :) 
    I definitely agree to that. I just hope he doesnt get like Cheetor in Beast Machines, where either he was second-guessing Optimus all the time or wishing he would be leader again. Given, that's a broad generalization, but personally i was annoyed with Cheetor a whole lot when that stuff happened.
     
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    That's an insult to Cheetor and Animated Bumblebee.

    Cheetor matured over time which is part of why I like Beast Wars so much. There was actually character development in that show. Anyway even at his most immature stage he was still more mature than Smokescreen. Cheetor may have rushed head first into battle without thinking several times but never when he was obviously out numbered. Plus Smokescreen as a member of the Elite Guard should be WAY more mature than he is. Cheetor was young and not a trained soldier so he had an excuse to be so immature. That's like comparing a 16 year old with the maturity of a 16 year old (Cheetor) to a 19 year old with the maturity of a 13 year old (Smokescreen).

    Animated Bumblebee is another character who was also in Autobot boot camp for the Elite Guard but he never finished Boot Camp... yet he's still a better soldier than Smokescreen who actually did finish Boot Camp. If Smokescreen were in the Animated universe he would of been thrown out of the Elite Guard and probably would be out ranked by Bumblebee. Bumblebee at least had the potential to be in the Elite Guard and I think he would of been if it wasn't for Bulkhead screwing things up for him during boot camp. Smokescreen, he's in the Elite Guard already and I don't see any potential for him at all. He manages to screw everything up all on his own.

    I think I preferred the Animated Elite Guard when they were all snobs and full of themselves talking down to other Autobots who weren't in the Elite Guard then Smokescreen who is more like someone the Animated Elite Guard would be talking down to. And yeah some were more full of themselves than others but they all had a bit of that "I'm better than you" attitude towards Optimus' team. Sentinel Prime was obviously the worst snob offender. Jazz was the least snobbish but when he first showed up he did seem to be trying to constantly out do Prowl. After that he was cool.
     
  19. TylerMirage

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    Ratchet: "Orion, look, there's Elita-One. You should totally ask her out."
    Orion: "Well, I have been finding myself...intrigued by her lately." *cue epic speech voice* "It is paramount that I proceed to inquire about social activities with her."
    Elita-One: "Hey, Orion. What's up?"
    Orion: "I, uh, well... ahem..." *epic speech voice* "Elita, it stands to reason that you and I should develop our relationship past its current established point."
    Elita: "What?"
    Orion: *epic speech voice* "It is imperative that we, both you and I, descendants of the great and powerful Primus himself, begin a romantic relationship. I, AM ORION PAX, AND I-"
    *Elita walks off*
    Ratchet: "Well that could've gone better."
    Orion: *epic speech voice* "I WILL go on a date with her. NO MATTER THE COST."
     
  20. moreprimeland

    moreprimeland Optimus told me to do it!

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    How did this thread go there??? :D