They are totally taking the fans for granted.

they say that they are trying to make something for a new audience. They make statements that make us feel like we are just fanboys who are too gung-ho about a toyline.
On the other hand, they know that we are where most of the money will come from.
So I feel like our opinions aren't good enough for them, but our cash is. If it weren't for the fans, Transformers would have died a long time ago.

 

And mine.

At first, I was about to go up in arms because there was no Ark.... then I thought: "they may be arriving on modern times". OK.

No Ark is OK.... but they still need some form of spaceship. But then I read Orci's explanation why there's no Ark, and it would mean also no spaceships. That's bad. His logic is flawed and stupid, to say the least. I won't write about the reasons why TFs need spaceships even if SOME of them are capable of interstellar travel, because it was already done on this very thread.

I just want to say that I REALLY hope that in the movie universe some form of spaceship is used by the Cybertronians to go from planet A to planet B. Will it get a mention on the movie? I don't know, but I think I'll accept it if the possibility isn't rejected right away during the movie.

P.S.: the "metal-ball" (meatball?) thing could be interesting, but even then, they should be launched from somewhere .... and what best than an orbiting mother ship?

-airfox

 

Just 2 points really - firstly, has anyone in fandom actually claimed to have had their childhood "raped" (lovely use of the word incidentally) by the making of this movie, or are the brain dead "I'm just stoked to see a giant robot" fraternity too stupid to look at any criticism of this movie in more complex terms? Stop telling us to grow up and get yourselves an education. Jesus. And if you're stoked to see a giant robot, watch a Citreon ad and save yourself a trip to the theatre.

Secondly, I'm not too fussed about the Ark per-se, I don't see it as a major factor. However, I can see how dumping yet another facet of what made the original so interesting would piss people off. It's called Transformers - it should have some resemblance to the source material other than the names, or it really will end up being a movie with giant fighting robots for the thickos to coo over. Knock yourselves out lads, because if that's what we get, there won't be another.

 

Good. Stars f***ing suck. Bay got one thing right.

 

My two cents on this: The script that we got a few months ago was a first draft and thrown out so no one knows what the storyline is. Boy did I feel like an idiot believing that was the script! The word "possibly" is said about the Ark. And who said it? I followed the link on page one and it doesn't look like it came from an official source. So do we know? No. Its a maybe.
Maybe those pics we saw of Starscream, Megatron and others were just first sketches. And I'm saying maybe.

Until the movie is out or much much closer to being done, what do we really know about what is in the movie? Till then I am staying optimustic about the movie and just ask for one thing: for it to ROCK!

 

I concur.  

 

Damn, lady.

The script we got a few months ago was, with 99% certainty, the last "major" revision. Filming began about a month after its timestamp. It wasn't thrown out. It's what they're working with right now. Now now now.

Roberto "Megatron? OH, yeah, yeah, I loved that little Gobot. He was the F-15, right?" Orci, writer #1 for this little dog and pony show, said it. It might be sort of hard to believe he's an official source, though, so I get the confusion.

And maybe I'm a magical unicorn. No, forget that, the chances are HIGHER I'm a magical unicorn. ILM doesn't give first sketches the full 3D treatment, and Hasbro doesn't make toy prototypes out of them. The world ain't that wacky.

Being really really generous to the production team, we know about 80%. Being more realistic but still generous, 95%.

 

Actually the majority of the money will come from people just going in to watch an action movie about giant robots that they kind of remember from their childhood. Spiderman didn't get all it's money from pure fans, but because it targeted the general audiances and gave them all something to enjoy. Having said that, I will once again state that removing the actual 'Ark' itself isn't that big of a deal, as I doubt most people who will see this movie even know the name of their ship. But top question the need for any kind of 'life' form who participates in interstellar travel to possess a larger ship is kinda dumb.

But I do kind of see where he's coming from. Seeing as they seem to be able to take on whatever alt mode they desire, why couldn't they have someform of interstellar capable alt mode? Megatron still retains his Cybertron Alt mode, what's to stop the other Transformers from reverting back into their older forms? Though I do admit, having a large transport and home base to return to is a cooler concept, it is still a questionable one in the end.

I just hope their is some sort of ship involved at some point in the movie, even if it's just a small mention.

 

I agree. Oh and I love your sig.

 

Big ships just put an epic scope on it. Imagine if you took the Death Star and Star Destroyers out of Star Wars??? "This is Vader. Ready my Imperial Speeder Bike." see - no epic. Either way, it's getting farther from the Transformers I know with every minor change. Trying HARD not to lose hope....

 

Yet it has been been reinvented so many times and I've tolerated it - that is until now.

 

Bingo!

 

I do see it too, I asked myself the same thing first time I saw Gobots. I mean, they shot laser beans out of their fists, they don't need guns. Why would the Transformers need guns? Can't they have weapons incorporated in their bodies? Also, upon seing Micromaster transports, I also asked myself why would a truck need a truck to ride on? Sounds silly, right?

Not if you take individual capabillities versus group activities. Naturally, I wouldn't need all sorts of vehicles for TFs to ride on, but I'd need all sort of TFs to perform several group activities. So if I have a factory, I'd need 12 TFs that turned into trucks, 4 that turned into fork lifters, 4 that turned into simple cars, one ambulance, and so on. Same thing in war, I need several TFs that turn into tanks, several that turn into jets, and so on.

The problem is that TFs are living beings. If we are to restrain such leaving being exclusively to it's function, well, is that the kind of slavery the Autobots were living under the Quintessons? Because you'd be pretty useless if you turned into a boat where there's no water around. So, the way I see it, most of their alt-modes are supposed to improve their own individual abilities, but NOT to enslave them into specific jobs. Sure, you can have an Autobot that turns into a spaceship, like Cosmos. That's not reason *not* to have a non-sentient spaceship around, exclusively for monthly transport of goods. There are a few examples of this in the Transformers Universe (I can think of Galaxy Shuttle from Victory right now), but I don't think that's the rule. The way I see it, Orci has shown quite some restricted view over the large universe of Transformers, thus rending him unable to write a decent script. He needs some consulting. Bad.

 

Well, actually, I don think it is money issue's, I think its just how much space in the movie they have. They arent going to also explain the Ark and such. They want to talk more about the transformers and such, bio's name's and vehicle modes. 140 mill can make an ark no problem. But its the fact that explaining the Ark would take to much time of the movie.

Here is some questions I made up.

Why is their a ark?

Why did they build it?

Why cant they teleport etc.

Just stuff like that. I belevie the ark may play a role if their is a second movie, like using it for transportation to and from cybertron. Besides, having the same transportation used in G1 is just lame. I dont want to see the ark. I want to maybe see like astro train that sort as trasnsportation. You dont actually think that the ark is that important seeing as how it was never consistant through out the series? I will tell you what would be cool, a space transport MetroPlex. That would be awesome. But just flying into earth with a space ship is a older concept than me!

 

So you are saying a space ship needs more explanation than balls of nanobots hurtling though space and slamming into earh?

 

Stuff that people would take for granted. They use a spaceship to get into space. Because that's what we do. Okay, so we're not gigantic, transforming robots (well, most of you aren't, anyway), but still, it's what people would expect. (He says, speaking for the millions.) You go into space, you need spaceship. Sorted.

And anyway, I stand by what I said earlier: Giant, crashed alien spacecrafts full of giant transforming robots are just COOL. End of. ;-)

 

Nano???? they arent that small, but its an old concept. They arent going to use it sooooooo. Yeah and I also said the money isnt the issue, its space explaining. You cant just go god shit and their was the ark hitting earth. Their is to many important things to put for it. Mor explanation would have to go into the transformers anyways.

Well it makes sense for pods to hit earth. Just for the fact that we lifeboats on ships allowing safe transportation from a ship and such. Same function just in space.

 

If they all land in a sentient transforming ship, it would dwarf the lot of them. There wouldn't me much point or interest to the smaller robots fighting if one had the big guy on their side. Still standing by a non-transforming Ark being a nice thought. Ah well.

 

On the topic of explaining what's going on, Armageddon summarised the entire premise with a voiceover that lasted less than a minute as the film opened. More than Meets the Eye managed to show the crash and ressurection in under 5 minutes, and it was a cheap cartoon. Where there's a will...

 

I think this is just generally more indicative of a lack of writing talent in H'wood anyway. (part of the reason why reality TV is so popular is truth is stranger than fiction)

Sadly I don't know how they get their jobs, being so incompetent and all, But I'd put it right up there with the used car salesman who tells me 'this car wasn't offered with a V-6' when I'm looking at the engine myself.