Maybe, or are those five just the worst of the DJD's worst? (Could there be at least a few other members of that group?) Either way, 113 should be mentioned again pretty soon with the Decepticon Justice Division now making their official debut.

 

This may have been said elsewhere, but as interesting as these guys are, am I the only one disappointed that the DJD are all entirely new characters, rather than being at least names we should be familiar with?

(For example, I was kinda hoping for some old Mayhem Attack Squad guys. Octopunch, Carnivac, etc).

 

I kinda like the idea that the apparent core of the DJD are all new Decepticons. I never tire of new 'Cons. If we find that there's other known decepticons that are a part of the DJD that's cool but I'd definetly prefer for the DJD be new cons we haven't seen.

What I hope doesn't happen is they get taken down easily after being built up to be utter bad@$$es.

 

New characters are not necessarily a bad thing. Rung and, from the original Marvel run, Emirate Xaaron, are really great examples. I just tend to think with as many characters exist in the canon already, new ones should be added judiciously.

 

So these guys alt modes are torture devices?

 

That's how I feel. New characters aren't always bad, but we have so many unused and untapped original characters that it seems out of place to have a whole group of new ones.

 

God no......

That's just wrong.

Anything less than a WFC Megatron mold for Tarn would be disrespectful. Plus Tarn doesn't carry a pick ax.

 

never really been much for the comics, but that was definitely an interesting read. count me in as a Tarn fan, pretty badass and ruthless dude D:

 

LOVE Tarn's design.

 

I'm using that old cyberglyph's translation picture to decipher what what's his face (Vos?) is saying. So far it doesn't really make sense and seems to be some kind of joke caveman talk. Very confusing....

EDIT: Only the first bubble seems to make any sense. "So tired me go night xto?" Then either I'm doing something wrong or it's gibberish.

 

At what point does this become too brutal?

 

They're obviously genuine fanatics. I can't imagine Megatron would have them doing that particular job if they weren't. I also agree about the potential issue regarding Megatron not living up to his own doctrine. But I don't think that's the case, here. He fought for Cybertron against the Void or whatever as hard as he could.

I also doubt they'd have him make a reappearance so soon into the new series. So I can't imagine he's the target the DJD is talking about. Might be Drift.

But as much as it's debated, AHM did indeed have Megs flat-out tell us about his big-picture for the end of the war. Heck, if he was willing to give it all to Starscream to run eventually, he may have actually even meant it.

He again talked about it near the end of IDW's ongoing, with Optimus, remember?

Show. Don't tell.

We haven't actually seen Turmoil do much beyond use his (admittedly huge) cannon on bots and doors. None of this legendary cruelty. The DJD? Just seeing the last stages of what they were doing was chilling.

I guarantee they used the code. But remember, they don't only go after phase sixers. They still have to be able to back it up on Decepticons who try to leave, regardless of rank or power.

Megatron clone? Tank tread shoulders, fusion cannon. I dunno. Likely we won't see under that mask for a few issues.

Loved the book. Loved it. That shows how Megatron got any followers. He's charismatic, his message is one that a lot of Cybertronians likely wanted to hear at the time. Likely the long war just weeded out anyone who wasn't honestly devoted, a nasty villain, or using this whole thing for their own gain.

Phase sixers may just have, aside from a generally high power level, some kind of "edge" that makes them capable of dealing with resistance on a planetary scale.

Sixshot has the ability to adapt to almost any situation he's likely to face. He can fight in the air or in space, he can pound the ground, he can track and stalk, he can do hand-to-hand, he can become a powerful weapon, so he can set the terms of or respond to literally any kind of engagement.

Overlord is obviously an enormously powerful Duocon. He can split into tank and spacejet modes, he can slap the tank onto the spacejet, he can become a robot (Maybe he also has the "base" mode, who knows?), so that also makes him capable of taking a fight almost anywhere.

So likely Black Shadow had some kind of special ability that made him what he was.

I will admit, I was more skeptical about MTMTE than RID at first, but that opinion has flipped. I still like RID, but MTMTE is a far superior book, in my opinion.

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Yes but please note: unless there is more to Overlord's Achilles virus than was previously revealed to us, it would do the DJD no good at all. None of them are Megatron. Overlord's obviously not indestructible, but he has his own special ability that makes him really dangerous in small-unit combat. And, his attention is more likely to be piqued by powerful foes (he only fell to the Wreckers at all because he didn't think they were really worth his time).

Besides which, unless Overlord does not know about the DJD, his entire plan (well the goading Megatron part...we don't know what's under Aequitas) makes no sense, IF the DJD can easily beat him. And on top of that, the DJD knew exactly where he was and what he was doing and left him alone.

I don't think they have an off-switch or an instant-win button for Overlord. Even if they do have a hidden advantage, it may not be decisive.

Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, unless they slew Sixshot off-panel, that's a strong indication that there are more and more have gone rogue. I guess technically all of them are rogues now in the DJD's eyes. Megatron's gone to ground...how DO you follow his commands?

 

I think it's more that, based on what we've seen of Swerve in MTMTE, metallurgy is actually really low on his list of priorities. In that sense, it seems unlikely that he'd be tapped by a high-minded extracurricular pan-faction think tank. It doesn't really fit with his portrayal, even if he happens to be a very good "skin specialist".

Maybe they promised him a quest. And had a convenient "mute" button for his video feed.  

It's not so much that Megatron might not live up to his own doctrines (though obviously he's become more embittered and less idealistic over the eons), but rather that the DJD might decide that he's not embodying the spirit of his manifesto as he should. I mean, if Megatron's not dead, for example... laying low as he is, letting his followers fall into disarray, abandoning his cause, surviving in defeat rather than truly dying a martyr... all these might be seen as betrayals of the highest order to a true fanatic like Tarn. He might decide the idea of Megatron is preferable to the real thing.

But I agree... it would be a bit early to drag Megatron back into the scenario. It just got me thinking...

Besides mobility and the power to sustain themselves autonomously, I imagine the main quality of a Phase Sixer is just pure endurance, the ability to shrug off massive retaliation and damage and keep killing.

Good point there. Or maybe Overlord also has a shutdown code, and he just doesn't know it. After all, Sixshot's override code was a secret, not least of all to Sixshot himself. In that sense, real or not, the Achilles Virus would make for a good smokescreen...or even a failsafe for a failsafe.

Not necessarily. Everyone knows about the DJD, but it's quite possible that Overlord was confident he could deal with them himself. Also, his plan was to make his rebellion so blatant and egregious that Megatron himself would be forced to take a hand (Megatron didn't take the bait, obviously, being half-dead).

As for the DJD, they seem to have a long list that they work through methodically, and at their own pace. It seems to be part of their psychological impact... they're in no hurry, but they will always get around to you eventually.

Well, decisive can depend on a number of factors. But after all the fuss made over Phase Sixers, I think it would be stupid if the DJD could confidently just walk all over them at their leisure (which they certainly did with Black Shadow) without some kind of hidden ace.

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Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, unless they slew Sixshot off-panel, that's a strong indication that there are more and more have gone rogue. I guess technically all of them are rogues now in the DJD's eyes. Megatron's gone to ground...how DO you follow his commands?[/QUOTE]

 

Like I said earlier based on Hasbro's judgement lately those are probable.

 

Re-reading the LSOTW hardback, Springer mentions that his mole in the DJD told them that any attempt to reach the planet by orbit failed miserably. And it was quite a while before they figured Overlord was running things and not Skyquake. I'm guessing at the first hint of trouble, it was that Overlord re-activated Shockwave [two years later] to remove his virus blind spot.

Also, during one of Sixshot's monologues in either devastation or his spotlight, he does reveal a lot of his specifications, even his spark core is made differently from an ordinary transformer. I'm guessing Blackshadow and Overlord share the same specifications.

If their virus is the same, then it puts them offline\in stasis lock\paralysis like Sixshot.

 

That's impossible.

Overlord is a pre-war bot. He's seen in AHM cheering at a gladiator match, which inspired his combat-obsessed portrayal in LSotW. The only time Megatron ever got his dirty hands on him was when he somehow infected him with the Achilles virus. Overlord knew and hated Megatron (more) for it.

Sixshot was built from the ground up as a living weapon, as chronicled in the flashback in Devastation. He never existed without the shutdown code.

Later, both were nominated to be among the first three Phase Sixers, along with Black Shadow. We don't know Shadow's personal history. Of course, since Overlord immediately turned down Megatron's offer and flew away, it's probable that he never received any "Phase Sixer"-related upgrades whatsoever.

There's also a profile for Overlord in the LSotW bonus stuff that doesn't mention any rebuilding. Can you imagine him tolerating that?

Now, there might well be some failsafe that has not been revealed to the reader or to most 'bots, and there might be another side to Overlord's Achilles virus (which means that Shockwave lied and didn't remove it, or that the other "side" is really a whole separate program, or who knows), but it's pure speculation. There is simply no indication that Phase Sixers are fundamentally similar in the way that's being assumed. They just had the same mission.

 

Don't worry, Arcee will kill all of them, by Prowl's order.

Yes, Jetfire. Is he in Lost Light or on Cybertron? Where the hell did he go?