In the end, there is only one way to find out, actually let someone else do them. Maybe bring a few people in the fold to keep things fresh. Hell keep Bay around to make things go boom and zoom only, put the characters and story in the hands of someone else for a change.

 

Have you seen Firefly? Avengers only backs up what's known with Whedon, he can make some great character-driven stuff, he also wrote the Avengers screenplay.

My only issue would be that he'd likely push too hard for "feminine equality" to the point where it'd come off unnatural, if only due to the lack of a female presence in TF history. Avengers was great, he treated Maria Hill and Black Widow with his touch, and it was good, but they're not ham-hocked into the movie/franchise. Also, would Whedon have the right care being put into a TF film? He loves Marvel, so he knows his stuff, but does/would he do the same for Transformers and its lore?

 

Yeah, we'll never know until it happens. But since Bay's version made so much cash that the people that control these things aren't going to want to risk him stepping aside in favour of giving someone else a crack at giving us more than just big bank. I don't think we'll be getting anyone new until BayFormers produces a huge dip in fortunes, and by then it'll have probably soured the Transformers movie franchise enough with the general public that whoever comes in after him will have to do an utterly amazing job to bring it back to popularity.

Give him some Marvel Transformers comics and kill two birds with one stone.  

 

I don't know about that. DOTM definetly had better and more rounded characters than The Avengers for instance. (Not from the Trsnsformers characters, but still.)

 

I can get better and more rounded human characters from almost any other movie though. Such as Avengers for example.  
I, and I'm sure many others, watch a Transformers movie for the Transformers, so it's kinda a basic requirement that they get some of the bettering and well-roundering of character too.
It's like if the Avengers heroes in their own movie all got little to no characterisation and all the other people around them got the majority of the screentime, story and character moments. Popularity of the Avengers movie would likely be in the toilet and fans of those heroes would be setting the internet alight with anger of nuclear proportions. And I'm imagine it would be a poor movie just in general, despite flashy special effects and CGI.
And yet somehow it's okay for all this to happen with Transformers movies just because they're CGI robots.

 

uh well..thats precisely the reason why the bots have been downplayed so much

studio execs werent sure how well full CG robot aliens would fly with the general public, thus the emphasis on the humans.

The robot screen time has increased from film to film as the suits in charge see that "hey more robots is okay and people want it"

Really i dont see how this is still the root of a lot of peoples problems. They're real worries the studios had [and legitimate concerns at that. Why sink all that money into something the audience potentially cant/wont connect with?]

And no matter who the director would be, that would still be a defining factor in how the movies would be handled. Heck, the only way spielberg & co. could sell it was that the first movie was "about a boy and his first car"

not "ZOMG GIANT ROBOT ALIENS ATTAK"


*shrug*

 

I'd buy that for a dollar! (Or more)

 

No offense dude, no you can't.

Also, this is the look for a heroic leading man.


This is the look of a bewildered teenager who just discovered theoretica physics.



I was never in the cinema to see this sepia-toned shithead's lame attempt at courting Megan Fox, go to a college I find less believable than Animal House or go to job interviews for him to be a fucking mailroom clerk. He was onboxious, time consuming and astonishingly dull. Oh I got Transformers, took me a while to warm to some of them but I got them. I just wish I didn't have to put up with the inane antics of a high-functioning social autistic to get there.

 

 

"Ohgoshohgoshohgosh! How do I even shoot this thing?" *bang* "Nononononononono!"

 

I'm sorry I edited the post now I read this  

 

Yes, He said that he wsa a big transformer fan in an interview back in the buffy days.

 

Sorry, but I'm gonna call BS on that.

Disney buys Pixar - CNET News

*reads article* Pixar sold for 7.8 billion dollars, huh? A company that soley does CGI movies with characters that people really, really connect with? That's odd..

Let's examine the facts:

• You have a company that has created hundreds of lovable CG characters...
  
• you work with the same studio that did Shrek, the most successful CGI movie series ever, Kung Fu panda, yet another extremely successful CGI movie series & How to Train Your Dragon
  
• You work with Steven Spielberg, who made a name for himself by making people care for a very non-human puppet in making the fourth most successful film ever "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial": All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
  
• You have all this and they feel confident enough to pump in $150+ million dollars into the project.

To me this all adds up to a metrick fuck-ton of confidence in the TF movies.

On the flip side:

...you have Michael Bay who at this point is infamous for explosions & US-army fanwankery.

You have two script writers who by most accounts - fucked up.

And..of course you have wikipedia saying the exact opposite of what you are saying..from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(film):

Spielberg suggested that "a boy and his car" should be the focus.[14] This appealed to Orci and Kurtzman because it conveyed themes of adulthood and responsibility, "the things that a car represents in the United States".[15] The characters of Sam and Mikaela were the sole point-of-view given in Orci and Kurtzman's first draft.[16] The Transformers had no dialogue, as the producers feared talking robots would look ridiculous. The writers felt that even if it would look silly, not having the robots speak would betray the fanbase.

Michael Bay was asked to direct by Spielberg on July 30, 2005,[20] but he dismissed the film as a "stupid toy movie".[21] Nonetheless, he wanted to work with Spielberg, and gained a new respect for the concept upon visiting Hasbro.[20] Bay considered the first draft "too kiddie", so he increased the military's role in the story.

Sooo..the studio execs felt comfy with their investment, Orci and Kurtzman were too busy kissing Spielberg's ass to actually add anything of their own into the script, only to then start doing Bay's bidding and adding all the things that he wanted.

Ie - Bay, Orci, Kurtzman and Spielberg are the ones responsible for this...so no, another director WOULD be able to do it totally different, no the movie audience CAN, and constantly do connect with CGI characters.

You sir...are just plain wrong.

fine...if you insist:

 

Hawkeye and Blackwidow which are basically secondary characters got more character depth in 3 scenes of one movie than almost all the characters in the transformers movie series combined human and bot. Any character growth Sam got was basically a byproduct of the sheer amount of time passed in the movies, not due to any quality in the writing.

 

First off, pixar is a completely different beast. Family friendly animatedd features are all fine and dandy. Live action mixed transforming robots on ths other hand, nobodys ever done it before.
Perhaps I shoulda been a little more straight forward with my wording but your helpful little quotes say it all for me. The whole idea of a big budget movie about transformers was odd and risky. No other studio would pick it up and the only way they did was because they had the idea of downplaying the bots and focusing a little more on the human side of the tf lore (namely spike and bumblebee.) Transformers have been shopped around as a movie for a good little while before it was ever made. You can look that up if you want too.

(So sorry fanboys you didn't get your big sci fi opera space epic with "no hoomanz")

Really not seeing how your quotes are refuting anything I said. Its thanks to a vocal few that optimus even talks, has any hint of red on him, and even remotely resembles the optimus we all know because nobody knew how to handle the property as a live action movie. And even then they wanted to play it safe and stick with some sort of "formula (if you will) that they feel works (the spielberg flare)

 

Well, it shows you the origin of where these things came from. Funding was secured before the whole human aspect was introduced, and was in no way shape or form used to put pressure on Bay, Spielberg or the writers.

And frankly I don't see what you are getting at...the fact that they are transforming robots somehow makes them impossible to connect with? No, live action movies have been incorporating non-human characters that the audience have related to since before movies even had sound, it is a well proven concept.

Mixing CGI and live action movies have been done for over 20 years, just look at Terminator 2 (1991) And before then they used life size puppets, like ET (1982), Yoda (1980) Or even drawn characters like in Roger Rabbit (1988) or as in all over mary poppins (1964) It's not a new concept - the fact that they are transformers doesn't factor into their ability to connect to the audience...at all - it's something that any half assed writer could acomplish with a story that focuses on the robots.

 

Not because of his role in the Avengers but Dr Horrible has proven he knows how to establish characters and make the audience emote for them. If they want to do the whole Robots-in-disguise version rather than the mass murdering autobots version we have seen recently then it could work.

Personally i`ld love anyone other than Bay. We dont need explosions or action, we need a good plot and battles that emphasise the whole robots-in-disguise part.

 

Just saw The Avengers again and WOW the movie is still awesome. Everything and everyone was great(Especially Black Widow. Wink Wink Nudge Nudge  ). And I hope Whedon does direct or write Transformers because he knows how to make a good movie.

 

Certainly. I like his work and loved the Avengers. I wonder could he do the same for TF?

 

Everyone I know at school loved Avengers and everyone was like all meh about DOTM.

Even audiences have taste.

 

I'm not sure...after the masturbation bit that gone on before, does it really need more boobs? Or is the thread supposed to be one of those threads?

Twilight book series disproves this hypothesis.