or were sucked by a black hoel which sucked barricde before returning in DOTM  

 

1. Arcee died. As did Elita-1. Chromia was last seen alive, but was confirmed dead.

2. I think after The Fallen was killed, the Decepticons transported thier young to Earth to be closer, and possiply raised faster.

3. Megatron and the survivors don't want to be seen. Do you think Megs wants Prime to find him and rip him to pieces?

4. I honestly don't think Scaple's brothers are quick enough to fix Megs. Especially when Megatron keeps killing them whenever they mess up.

 

Thats fine and dandy but its a personal opinion. Talking while drawing on your personal opinion influencing what you call fact infringes on others opinions.

Officially the tie in media might as well be a carbon copy parallel continuity with the movieverse. The people in charge of the movies don't really care about the tie in media lol.

 

There where many stuff unexplained but the movie was still great!

 

Yes they are canon

 

1) died in ROTF? remember the scene where the Arcees told Sam they will get him to safety before they were shot at,and Ironhide told sam to get to the pillars
2 and 3) they relocated on Earth for Energon. the hatchlings cannot survive without Energon and the Earth has many energy resources. obviously, there are Energon detectors all over major cities of the world,so they can hardly have their base there. therefore, their base is in a desert.
3) in DOTM,you see that there are small little Decepticon bugs trying to fix it but havent finish. a head injury is probably harder to fix.

what i wanna know is how come the Matrix of Leadership is with Optimus,even though he shot the Sun Harvester holding it and the whole machine exploded.
i also liked the Autobot twins,Skids and Mudflap.
they were fun
finally,I really wish they do a prequel movie talking about the origins of the Allspark,the Matrix of Leadership and the Transformers.
I personally dont buy the crap about information on the Allspark being 'transformed' and transferred into Sam's head.

 

GAH - NO THEY ARE NOT!!!

Good grief people, how hard is it to understand? CANON, in this context, is that body of work that producers/writers should adhere to with subsequent stories.

MICHAEL BAY AND THE WRITERS ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO TREAT "REIGN OF STARSCREAM" OR ANYTHING ELSE AS "GOSPEL".

If they think of a better idea of what happened, or for the characters featured, they can go ahead.

Just like how George Lucas' prequel trilogy contradicted lots of the "expanded universe" Star Wars comics and books... he wasn't beholden to that stuff, so went in a different canonical direction.

Now - just because something isn't canon... this is NO REFLECTION ON ITS QUALITY. You can love the comics; think they're better than the movies themselves etc... but that does not make them canon!

Sigh...

As for tfwiki confirming the meaning of "canon", with the greatest respect, I'll lean on the old English degree and my own knowledge rather than the no-doubt-very-pleasant-contributors to that website.

 

Seems like your understanding of "canon" is not canon.

 

LOL - good one! 

But as your reply is non-canonical, I'll ignore it!

 

Well you don't have to buy it, but its still fact in the movie. After Sam is revived by the Primes, the knowledge is then transferred to the Matrix, so all in all the knowledge being in Sam's head is only a temporary state.

Oh and those speaking about the Comics not being canon... well on each cover it says "the official prequal to..." so in my opinion they are canon, whether the films directly reflect this or not.

 

Dude, you are truth.

If some people are having a hard time recognising the facts, then there's probably not a lot they will understand.

 

Some canons are more canon than others.  

The Bay movies are in the rare position within Transformers that they are the main canon for BayFormers, overriding even the toys, which are usually the be all and end all. For BayFormers all else in that version of TF must bow to the movies, regardless of if the comics and toys are official products or not.

 

It always seems like when people have questions (especially about the movies), they phrase it like the writers are a pack of morons that left gaping plot holes, when most of the time they just don't seem to think it through or bother to look.

Two thirds of Arcee dies on screen in ROTF, Bay also stated she is dead.

The cons only used the Nemesis as a base because that is where the Fallen was in hiding. No Fallen, no reason to stay on a ship so far away from Earth?

Remote Saharan Savannah/Desert seems pretty isolated and ideal for me. The narration for DOTM heavily implies the Cons are hunted into just hiding because they cannot beat the Autobots head on with human assistance. This is also why the scene with the 'Bots breaking into the (presumably) Iranian Nuclear facility is shown - they literally have nothing better to do as the Cons have disappeared.

Megatron's head appears to be both a stylistic thing as well as likely a technical one - they want to show he is diminished in strength/capacity from the first two. Also, the hole in his head is smaller than what happens to him in ROTF, so its not like -no- progress has been made. Again, Cons being in hiding, lacking resources, they are literally on Plan C: "Hope your enemy hands you the planet" when they learn Prime has the matrix, can revive Sentinel, and set all the dominoes in motion. It would make sense they would lack the resources to fix anything that is not absolutely critical. Megatron seems to be doing alright with 70% of his head, and its not like any of them are in a position to argue otherwise with him.

ROTF seems to imply/indicate Bumblebees voice is more or less fixed and he could talk if he wanted, but would rather use the radio/it is more comfortable for him to speak that way.

As far as the twins, I recall hearing somewhere Sentinel ganks them off-screen, that the scene was filmed and Bay cut it to leave it with just the one fatality.

Anyone who brings personal cannon/flavor/whatever into a discussion about what is unexplained is going to be really sad when the rest of us don't want their special blend of media and opinions as Actual Canon. So get used to your opinion being just that, and remember, just like Star Wars, order of Canon is:
Movies -> Figures -> Comics/Books -> Kids Books -> Other merchandise.

So, something in TF4 contradicts the tie-in comics....movie wins, for movieverse. Comics are basically a parallel running continuity that intersects well with, but not totally, the movies, and do no in anyway influences the movies productions, so they are a poor source for explaining anything in the movies, generally speaking.
That doesn't mean they are bad, just have to remember how it all works and no get offended by it, yeah?

 

What ever happened to Jolt, Mudflap, Skids & Chromia?

 

I liked the part where you asked the same thing several other people did right before you like you didn't bother reading anything.
Good point about Jolt, though. Presumed KIA?

 

yes they are

Jolt - Killed by Shockwave before the events of DOTM happened
Skids and Mudflap - Alive as they were seen in DOTM on vehicle mode but they likely died offscreen at the hands of Sentinel Prime (as ppl claims that colored body parts of the twins can be seen on Ironhide death scene, but no one have proved this yet)
Chromia - she and Arcee are lsot on a forest on new york but they arent able to communicate with the other autobots due to Soundwave jamming their transmitions, current status is unknown

Ya know that ROTF Contradicted The comics with Fallen beign trapped in a relic, But in the DOTM Comics the plot hole was fixed explaining fallen sued sentinel Pilalrs for be freed, so whatever is contradicted in TF4 (if its made) will be fixed on future comics with a explanation

 

Hahaha sorry I saw the thread and had to instantly ask 
But still...Jolt should have been in DOTM.

 

Jolt was indeed killed  

by shockwave

 

My personal canon is: comics mixup with the films  

 

Wow, I'm convinced! Thanks.