The Thirteen

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  1. Karhukjnsi

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    WARNING, READ FIRST: This thread will contain spoilers for the most recent episodes aired, tread with caution.

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    CONFIRMED INFORMATION:
    • One has a beast alt-form
    • One is a Minicon

    If the novels are anything to go by, here's the list of names we have so far:
    1. Prima - The "Warrior of Light", leader of the Thirteen, wielder of the Star Saber (the hilt of which is the Matrix of Leadership)
    2. Vector Prime - Has powers over Time & Space, and lives outside of them
    3. Solus Prime - Blacksmith "(artifact) maker" of the Thirteen, wielder of a "Forge" hammer; a Female
    4. Liege Maximo
    5. Nexus Prime - The "Wizard of Forms", "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen; a Combiner
    6. Alchemist Prime - Co-founder of Cybertronian civilization
    7. Alpha Trion - Author of the "Covenant of Primus", wielder of the "Quill", co-founder of Cybertronian civilization
    8. Amalgamous Prime - The "Trickster"; a Shifter
    9. Megatronus Prime - The "Fallen" Prime, Solus Prime's bane

    This first post will be updated when more information is learned, but ONLY information strictly in the Aligned continuity family (Prime, WFC/FoC, Exodus/Exiles).

    Please do NOT:
    -Talk about the Thirteen's existence in other continuities (including the Bayformer films, G1, or any others).
    -Talk about the concept of "multiversal singularities", or how the other versions of the Thirteen exist in relation to each other (this will also include other "multiversal singularities" like Primus or Unicron).
     
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  2. Kostya

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    Thanks for starting this.

    I would like to note that we also have confirmation that one of the 13 has a Beast Mode and another is a Minicon. Their names are unknown at this point.
     
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    Alchemist Prime? I'm sorry but that's a lame name..

    And a beast-former??!!?? I like that.. :) 
     
  4. Karhukjnsi

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    The only time Alchemist Prime is mentioned is by Alpha Trion in Exiles, nothing about what he really DOES or what his gimmick is, but he does say that Alchemist pursued Liege Maximo into space.
     
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    Doesn't it also say Alchemist Prime and Alpha Trion are the two members that founded the modern Cybertronian society?

    I'd also like to note that if scientists are counted as a type of TF(like Shifters and Minicons) then it's likely he's their template.
     
  6. Karhukjnsi

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    Already got ya covered on that info. :thumb 

    Yep, but that's not so much of a "gimmick" for Alchemist Prime. Also, I doubt "scientist" is really a body type like "female" or "combiner".
     
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    You could also note that Maximo disappeared in space and Alchemist hunted him down and that Vector is the guardian of space and time.

    edit: I believe Solus Prime's description should say "maker of the thirteen's artifacts(Quill, Star Saber, etc.)" not that she made them, as in the 13.
     
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    Don't feel that bit on the Liege Maximo is important (yet) until we find out what he did. As for Vector Prime, we know he's usually that, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly indicating that in the books.

    Added a nice word to help clear it up a bit. :wink: 
     
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    Let's see what else I can think of...

    Megatronus is described as a "Warrior of Darkness" to counter Prima's light.

    Should we list which ones are alive and which ones are dead? In spoilers of course.
     
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    I don't think Megatronus was actually described that on printed material, Prima was at least described as such in the Transformers Vault book. As for life and death, we only know one dead.
     
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    CONFIRMED by whom?

    So far we have only seen them in shadow in this series.
    same question
     
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    TF Wiki cites interviews with people at the 2011 Botcon.
     
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    Sorry, but interviews dont count as canon confirmation.

    Only info from within the series is canon confirmation.
     
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    Then technically this entire thread shouldn't even exist.

    Also how do interviews not count? They're outright telling us who the 13 are.
     
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    why?I thought the reason for this and any topic is to talk.

    If interviews count then WFC is 199% connected to the G1 cartoon and no other continuity.

    they dont count because things often change durring the creative process.What they are now thinking and saying can be radically changed by the time they get to it in the series.
     
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    In Exiles, page 288, a conversation between Optimus and Ratchet...

    it does state ... "A gateway to Vector Prime... once known as the Blades of Time.
    It was created by Vector Prime as he had the power of space and time.
    He created this key to open the portals between the dimensions of space....."
     
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    So that's what the Key's for in TFP!
     
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    moreprimeland Optimus told me to do it!

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    Possible, but who knows for certain??? Only the TFP team for now! I'm really hoping for Vector Prime in TFP, soooooooo.....:D 
    I've not read anything that says 100% of anything in the novels will be the storyline for TFP....it goes back and forth, G1, WfC, TFP and others...you never know.
     
  19. Karhukjnsi

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    Based off of how serious Hasbro has decided to take the Thirteen, it was explicitly stated at BotCon '11 (I was there).

    Technically true for most smaller details, but Hasbro is being extremely careful and serious with the Thirteen.

    It says he has power of it, but it didn't say anything about him being the "Guardian" of it (not in this continuity), it seems that he learned how to control space & time then leave it.
     
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    No matter how serious or how careful Hasbro is on the topic, anything said outside the narrative is still not a canon confirmation.