G1 Optimus, maybe.

Movieverse prime? No fúcking way

 

Everyone seems to have forgotten that the last time Optimus was 'noble' he was getting his ass kicked. Or did everyone forget the climax to the first movie?

 

Yeah.

On that note, I could have sworn the movieverse deceptions still die of their injuries a lot quicker than most soldiers on the battlefield do. The decepticons seem to average about a few seconds in between wound and death. In the real world, it's not all instantaneous killshots in the head as you all seem to think it is, there's still a bunch of times people are just shot in the gut or the leg and it takes 5 minutes to a few hours to fully die.

 

In regard to completing a task, does it really matter how it's done so as long as there aren't any drawbacks to the method used? Is not the only thing that matters the successful completion of the task? What importance is there in purely intangible concepts which have no measurable or observable affects in solving actual problems? Honor and mercy, are they both not merely subjective, contrived, and intangible ideals which are not physically appreciable and subsequently irrelevant in the grand scheme of things? Even more so, are they not completely unwarranted when they accomplish nothing except putting the person who employs them at a disadvantage? Are the Decepticons honorable or merciful and subsequently deserving of honor or mercy? As I have asked before, did Megatron show mercy to Jazz when he ripped him in half? Did he show mercy to Optimus when he fatally shot him through the back? Was he going to show mercy to Sam when he planned to kill him in order to unveil the mysteries of his mind? Did Sentinel show mercy to Ironhide when he shot him in the back? Was Sentinel merciful when he was about to mortally strike Optimus as he begged him for mercy? Did the Decepticons show mercy as they killed hundreds of innocent civilans in Chicago? Why berate a compassionate, benevolent warrior for sparing his enemies of that which they spare him? Why comdemn one who has twice saved the innocents of Earth from undeserved slaughter and enslavement? Why ridicule one who has put an end to the faction which led to the decay of their homeworld?

 

Grindor, the Fallen, Megatron all made sounds of pain. Starscream shows that... Oww my eye! Oww my arm! Megatron didn't painfully cry for Starscream after getting shot up?

Negative. Batman leaving a villian to their own fate is totally different than actively killing. Not to mention he saves the Joker in part 2...

This is not about G1.... Name another Prime that kills in such a brutal manner and makes smart ass comments about it. There is no such character. WFC Prime aside... and that's mostly cuz it's a video game, and even then it isn't portrayed in such a Rambo-esque manner.

Leave the lame ass "this ain't g1" shit at home. G1 Prime, Primal, RID, Cybertron, Armada, Energon, Animated and Prime NEVER killed in the manner of movie Prime... if anything they avoided it. If Prime killed like he did in the movies, he wouldn't be Optimus Prime.

I accept this Prime for what he is, be he is NOT the pacifistic peacemaker and noble warrior he's always been. He's Bay's Prime and that's cool, but he is not a accurate representation of Prime. He's like Superman in the Justice Lords.

Hell, if he'll kill Cons so ruthlessly, who's to say he wouldn't do the same to evil humans?

That's my problem with him. Prime's always had boundaries that he had to be forced to cross. This Prime has none (aside from Movie 1 Prime, who was a great take on him). He has no compassion or disappointment in his voice.

 

Those traits are fine for Rambo and Terminator or Conan... It's in their character. For Optimus Prime, it is simply not.

NOt to mention what you say is wrong... See the Geneva Convention and the various people tried for War Crimes.

None of this is about the results... they are explainable. But what Prime does in the movies is NOT IN HIS CHARACTER. Plain and simple. In movie 1, he showed compassion, concern and was still a great fighter. After that, he is a one line spouting killing machine... they might as well have given him a cigar to chew on and have him talk about banging Cybertronian babes in the war camps on Cybertron.

If this was Grimlock we were talking about, I'd say it was great. I think it's lame that they can't manage to even make Prime badass without giving him the Wolverine treatment. I just pray future directors don't use this Optimus as the starting point for their take on Prime.

 

You do realize, that ALL movie adaptations take liberties, and do this kind of stuff right? Or is this your first adaptation trilogy?

You contradict yourself ''Negative. Batman leaving a villian to their own fate is totally different than actively killing. Not to mention he saves the Joker in part 2'' You do realize that Joker was FAR more dangerous than Ra right? So, he allows a more ruthless man to live, yet doesn't try at all to help one who isn't as ruthless?

Logic flawed, No need to continue the debate with you.

It wasn't his ''Own fate'', Superman, would have saved him regardless, and do you realize how many times IN COMICS, that Bat's has saved villains in this manner? The Nolan films are not the blueprint of Bat's mythos, and neither is Bay's Tf's. They are adaptations. And more often then not adaptations, do no justice to source material.

 

Primes always had an "irritated" attitude toward Decepticons since G1. It shows sometimes he holds it back from the Autobots.

 

Then continue the debate with me. Batman's choice in the first film was slightly effected by the emotions of Ra's betrayal. He saved the man's life once and then Ra returns the favor by burning his house down and attempting to drive everyone in Gotham insane. Technically, Batman saves the Joker only once, therefore giving the Joker probably the same treatment as Ra.

Sure, this is true. But an adaptation usually is an attempt to make the incarnation as close to the original as possible and Batman was pretty darn close to being just like his original counter-part. You don't see Hermione acting like an over-sexualized female character (and you know Hollywood very well could have) or Draco like a murder-crazed death eater in Harry Potter because that's not how they were in the book.

 

Your reasoning makes more sense than they other guy. But I still disagree in a way.

Batman, refusing to save Ra, was in retaliation to his attempts on his life/burning his house, and threatening his city.

So what difference is that to Megatron shooting Prime in ROTF, which I assume, many of you guys forget. Megatron stabbed in the back, and blasted Prime. How in the WORLD, is prime wrong for returning the favor?

Or are people going the Batman and Robin route and pretending ROTF didn't happen?

He retaliated in kind, the same way Megatron show no mercy to him, He didn't show him any in DOTM.

And Bay didn't ruin TF, as bad as most comic book and novel adaptations do. And depending on who you ask, Potter changed too much as well. But thats when people are being real nit picky.

 

So, you just equated innocent human beings to Megatron.
In doing so, you just put victims on the same plane as the antagonist.

And you are wrong to do so; there is a VAST difference between the helpless and the tyrant.

So what? That doesn't make him bad, or less noble.

It's all about who you fight, an the cause you fight for that defines your being a good guy or bad guy

Not how you fight.

That's a senseless standard that gets the wrong people killed.

War is aggressive. Combat is aggressive.
Youwant less aggressive? Stay out of comat.

Again, war and combat are not for Mr. Rodgers' Neighborhood.

Dying doesn't usually feel good.

At least your enemy has no visual advantage over you.

And demoralizes the other enemy combatants- weaking them spiritually- in the process.

Good battlefield strategy.

Did you even see DOTM? All the scenes of him pleading Sentinel to stop?

But we'd also have a lot less dead soldiers on our side.

I agree; Prime has been a pussy.

Look at 1985's Transformers: The Movie. How many Decepticons did he kill?

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And what good ame of it? Prime's own death? A rebuilt Decepticon force that continued to antagonize the Autobots well past Rebirth?

One whose death spawned nothing good.

Sure they can... because their nobility is found in WHAT they are fighting for.

 

We need more Patton, and less patton leather:

 

not to mention..............rodimus prime......(shudders)

 

So if a place like North Korea decided that they were enemies of the Autobots then it's okay for Prime to rip the faces off North Korean soldiers and kill them all?

Or if Prime is killing Decepticons left and right because they might commit genocide against the humans then why exactly isn't Prime out taking down the humans who do things like genocide, torture, and displace innocent people? Kind of an odd double standard isn't that he must kill every robot bad guy but it's okay if humans do the exact same bad things to each other.

And if war is anything goes then we should break out the mustard gas because according to some people here it's okay to do anything in war just as long as you call yourselves the good guys. Makes me glad our military leaders are professionals with a load of humanity and not some of you guys.

 

Did the creator of this thread get the title or quote from The Dark Knight?
lol The ending scene with Batman and Dent/2 Face?

anyway its actually not what Optimus wants, its what's FAIR TO ALL OF US

 

To be fair, he probably mortally wounded several, including Megatron. I maintain that Megatron and the other Decepticons who got resurrected would've expired had they not encountered Unicron.

 

You mean *gasp* G1 Optimus didn't do quick clean kills? Or give fatal injuries that would take seconds at most to die?

And people say that Movie Prime's the one trying to prolong the agonizing death process...

 

How many Transformers movies that came out in 1985...

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Transformers the Movie came out in 1986

 

Show me a human as tall as Optimus Prime (or half as tall) and we'll talk.

But then again, if any human can go hand-to-hand against Optimus Prime, then humans wouldn't need his protection, would they?