I sincerely agree with you.

Seems like people who support the murderous Prime can't see the difference between killing in battle and executing a defenseless enemy.

Killing in battle, like in chicago = OK

Executing a beated up, weak Megatron who asked for a truce decapitating him = Wrong.

 

Once again, if you really think that's truly the case, you need to get your eyes and ears checked, because Megatron was far from beat up and weak, and his proposal for a truce was ambiguous in who it was directed to and was in no way sincere.

 

But that's the problem. Megatron was not weak, he just beat the shit out of Sentinel, and he didn't offer a sincere truce, but was mocking Optimus Prime, if you didn't get that in the movie, then I don't know what to say. It was made pretty clear when Megatron said he just wants to be the ruler, and he even baited Optimus with his "What would you do without me Prime!"

Optimus has tried many times in this movie to stop Sentinel in what he was doing, but Sentinel wasn't having any of it. He begged at the end, but then again, he killed Optimus Prime's best friend in cold blood, he ripped OP arm off, tried to kill all of the Autobots by talking the humans into exiling them off of the planet, was responsible for killing at least a million humans, enough was enough! You're never going to win a war with a bleeding heart. Even Sentinel mocked Optimus, told him he was brave but could never make the difficult decisions. Optimus finally made one.

 

I saw the movie again yesterday and I tried to pay more attention to certain aspects, like this one.

About Megatron offering a truce, I would say it is a rather hypocrite action, made out of neccesity because he didn't had another option, he was F'd and knew it... Consider the sequence in the movie:

Sentinel is about to kill Optimus when Megatron arrives and attacks Sentinel, only because he would take command of the decepticons so he just acted out of fear of being overthrown.

The next scene, the Autobots arrive to destroy the pillar, when they do this Cybertron and the Decepticons ships are sucked into the black hole, destroying all of it.

Then the important scene.... Megatron has Sentinel on his knees, and HE IS LOOKING AT THE SKY when says "NO!", then he turns to Optimus saying "We need a truce" while tossing Sentinel aside as he is no longer a menace to him.

The thing is, Megatron had both Primes at his feet (one by his hand, the other by Sentinel's) but then he sees that Cybertron and all the Decepticons ships are gone when the pillar is destroyed... He's is now alone in the middle of the city (maybe there are other Decepticons in the world, but not in Chicago) soon to be surrounded by Autobot and human forces, that's why he says "NO!" as they have thwarted his plans. So he tosses Sentinel (now an unwanted and defeated ally) and tries to make a truce with Optimus to survive... even trying to act like "See, I saved you, were even now".

Also he wasn't weak or powerless, he had just defeated Sentinel and even managed to shoot at Optimus once before been killed... and if he really was tired of war and fighting and wanted a truce he would have tossed his gun to the ground as soon as he proposed it.

About Sentinel... as said by others, in two of three ocassions Optimus asked him to stop only to be ignored by Sentinel. When Sentinel is defeated he never rejected his actions, he only tried to justify himself "...all I ever wanted was the survival of our race". And he never begged for his live, he just panicked as soon as he realized Optimus was going to kill him, which is kind of ironic when he previously mocked Optimus because he "could never make the hard decissions".

 

It was directed at Optimus and Megatron was pretty much mocking him. If Megatron hadn't said that he wanted to be in charge, I might have believed him, but he was trying to take advantage of an opponent who he viewed as defeated and would not fight back.

 

I don't know I think it still comes down to what options does a hero have.

In a cop movie if the bad guy has killed someone and then takes a hostage the cops don't shoot the bad guy if he lets the hostage go, throws down his weapon, and gives up. But if the bad guy just isn't going to give up and he's going to hurt someone then a cop can be the film's hero by taking out the armed bad guy.

Sometimes the power level between the good guy and the bad guy is just so skewed that killing a much weaker bad guy is going to feel wrong. Superman wouldn't kill regular bad guys because he's got so many powers that he could disarm them before they could blink. But in a fairly even fight between Prime and Bonecrusher before Prime went all Super Saiyan Prime had to take the opening he got in the fight as he didn't have enough power to disarm or disable Bonecrusher.

I think there is also a big difference between killing a bad guy in battle and killing a bad guy when all the fight is out of that bad guy.

 

To those saying Megatron was offering a truce:

To offer a truce to someone, you're supposed to -put your weapons down and not act hostile to the person you seek to truce with-.

Megatron was in combat (he may not have been swinging his sword or firing his gun at that exact moment, but he didn't withdraw from the melee) and he remained armed.

Megatron's truce was a farce, and was in no way made with any sincerity.

 

Remembering back during ROTF when Optimus said to Meg's, "You'll never stop at one." In DOTM when Optimus said, "The Decepticons will never leave your planet alone... We're going to kill them all."

I took Prime's statement of killing them all as the final straw. He had had enough and above all, he saw Sentinel's dark betrayal as a Prime, an Autobot and to the humans as reprehensible. It was time to settle the score and end this. Even the way Optimus had to go about it. They were grossly overmatched and Optimus knew it was all or nothing. It had to be done to protect the humans at all costs.

So in my opinion you can't trust your enemy because Optimus knew they would have taken advantage of any weakness shown and had eons of proof to back it up. The exhile and supposed destruction of the Autobots onboard the Xantium by Starscream should have showcased why any truce would have been shortlived. Destroy all of them before the fate of Cybertron was repeated again on Earth.

 

Optimus didn't murder Megatron; he defeated him.

Anyone who thinks that Optimus murdered Megatron clearly has their sympathies in the wrong place.

 

It was either kill or be killed. Optimus did what he had to do.

 

I could see it as this Optimus being pushed to where enough is enough already, especially after the Decepticons nearly turned Chicago into a graveyard. So far his other counterparts haven't reached that point yet.

 

Optimus, Fuck Yeah!

Freedom is the only way of all sentient beings, Yeah!

 

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Menioning graveyard... I remember during ROTF where Sam and Prime were talking in a cemetery. Prime pleading with him for his help to convince the fed's that he Autobots should stay and prevent the Cybertron war from coming to Earth. Prime mentioning at one point of whole generations lost on Cybertron and the possible genocide of humans if what happened on Cybertron were to happen there. The irony of that scene fit perfectly into what Prime knew was going to take place and eventually started anyway in Chicago. So as others said in this thread this time around, Prime did what he had to do and that was to wipe out the cons, Meg's and Sentinel once and for all.

 

No, he did was a crazy person who gets off on brutal murder does...he's insane. He's completely insane. Bumblebee did what he had to do. Ironhide did what he had to do. Optimus had a guy come up and say "I offer you peace" and embedded an axe in his face. There is now no power on Earth that can stop him...and he's killed his big Decepticon targets. The only thing left is to kill his friends. Opening for Transformers 4: Optimus ripping Lennox in half, dropping him onto a pile of human and autobot corpses.

It's not that he killed, it's that he's a crazy person. It's fantastically enjoyable that he's crazy...but he's damn well crazy. Cuckoo even...oh God...he's at the window! No Optimus! Not my fa-

Optimus Prime is the greatest hero your world has ever seen and he is the only one who truly knows what is best for you

Signed

Deceased human.

PS Please send me your addresses and times when you will be in your homes alone

 

Using Marvel Prime as justification like that is a bit of a misstep, since that dude was flat out suicidal. He was probably just willing to take as many people as needed with him on the ark to end it all.


No, seriously. Prime tried to kill himself like 4 times in the comics. Once he did it because he didn't win a video game the way he wanted to.

It's a pretty far cry from homicidal maniac movie Prime.

 

Guys really, you need to check the movie again. When Megatron offers the truce it is Prime who ATTACKS FIRST, Megatron can barely react and defend himself. In fact in the original script, Prime accepts the truce and Megatron leaves, the ending was changed to please teenage boys.

You are also somehow missing my point that I'm ok with prime killing in a battle or when he has a gun pointed to his face, but in the megatron scene that never happened, in fact if Megatron had attacked Prime I would be ok with his dead, but clearly this was not the case as it never happened.

When you say that Megatron was not defeated, dear god, did you not payed attention to the whole movie when everyone says that Megatron is in bad shape, he was lying on the floor just gazing at cyertron because the guy could no longer fight, he got provoked and used his final strenght attacking Sentinel from the back.

As for Megatron not being sincere... Of course he wasn't!!! He is the, you know, VILLAIN of the movie!!! But Prime is supposed to be the idealistic hero, this noble protector of humanity who lost the war because he was attached to his moral code and couldn't make hard decissions. This is one of his most important character traits, one that many times works against him.

If you want a coldblooded murderous Prime then fine, I'm saying that he should know when the battle is over there's no point in wasting another life. Specially of someone who he once called his brother.

BTW, why are there two threads on the same topic? Shouldn't they be merged?

 

Did YOU pay attention? Megatron wasn't defeated, he was just spitefully sulking to the side after Sentinel bitch slapped him. That's right, bitch slapped, not cannon to the face and gut. He was being like a spoiled kid. What he was doing was essentially his version of "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

 

Do you guys even remember what Megatron said when he asked for a truce?

Megatron: "THIS! IS! MY! PLANET!"


Does that sound even remotely trustworthy to you? Your deadly foe stating Earth is HIS property?

 

Letting Megatron live is not heroic; it's stupidity that would likely get himself killed again as well as the remaining Autobots and all of humanity.

That's not a hero; that's a stupid moron and a pussy.

When you have a rabbid dog running loose, common sense says to put it down!