Megatron did indeed offer a truce, but I don't remember the exact dialogue. I only remember, "Where would you be without me?" and "Let's find out!" A few say it was a truce under Megatrons command, and I won't argue that until I see the movie again to confirm that. I think the truce was handled better in the novel. In the movie, Megatron came off as tired of the war, exhausted from the stellar cycles of battle, and desperate to save his homeworld, where a truce would make sense. In the novel he's given that chance.
I didn't have a problem with him executing Demolisher. It was quick, easy, and painless. I'm sure all of us prefer that over a slow painful death. Nor did I have a problem with him ripping apart Grindor's head. It was 3v1, in a fight like that, ANYTHING GOES. Plus he had to protect Sam as well, someone in that fight had to bite the dust. The Fallen is the most evil thing out there, and he got what he deserved for betraying the Primes. Maybe the whole "Give me your face thing" was a bit over the top but I didn't have a problem with it. Now onto DOTM. I had a problem with it at first but in some ways it makes Optimus more human-like. It seems no matter what rank you are, how noble and respected, everybody cracks under pressure and they lose themselves in the heat of the moment. I still prefer the ending the book had, infact I prefer the book over the movie (The movie was still good IMO) but thats just me.
I'm really looking forward to reading the novel. Something I rarely do for films. But in this case, I think the novel is very much the film I wanted, and this was sort of a best of clip show of its key moments. Revenge of the Sith had the same thing going on as far as novelization to film relationship.
Only OP isn't human. He's a very very old machine who has a computer for a brain and plenty of time to let his processor and sub routines absorb and analize his actions and what actions he would like to continue. I do not subscribe to this push humans (especially reviewers) seem to be obsessed with that HUMANIZING non human entities is a good idea. Species need to act appropriate to their species. We don't need to HUMANIZE everything. That's so self absorbed of our species. We humanize aliens, we humanize our idea of a god, we humanize robots. How about things behave along the logical course dictated by the mechanics of their biology and history? There's a crazy idea. Besides, there are enough movies about humans out there, I watch/read sci-fi in order to explore what alternate forms of life would be like. Not put a human in a new form and essentially tell the same story with new clothes. Humans like to see things act human because humans are ultimately very self conscious of their own fallibility and will look for any excuse to justify it. See any third grader who, even though they are smart, comes home with a C or a D and says well MOST of the kids got a c, there were only a couple b's and a's. Well that's fine, but what does everyone else have to do with you when you know you could do better? Or in this case, what does human fallibility have to do with a thousand year old robot who has come from a very different type of culture and physical make up than humans can even fathom. This is a pet peeve of mine in story telling... if its harsh, I'm sorry, lol.
I said, in an odd way, Sentinel was in the right. Ironhide? He was about to be exposed as a traitor, Ironhide is a war veteran and weapons expert, making him a nearby risk. By this point Sentinel is without morals so killing him isn't a problem. He doesn't kill Optimus in D.C. because of the history they share and wants to see his disciple understand his logic. When Optimus persisted in the final fight, he knew it was a lost cause so death was the only way. That's why he was about to kill him, so from his perspective he's in the right. The humans are irrelevant. Like I said, no morals, destroying the cities is an example of 'Don't defy me, or this is your fate'. He didn't have ages to consider his plan either. He was in emergency stasis, spark barely online. That's like a human in a coma, making them no better than a shit and piss machine. We don't have McGuffin's that can save us from that. It's all a question of morals. Optimus had forsaken his in the final fight. The first movie was preventing Megatron from obtaining the Allspark which if used in his hands would destroy the Autobot cause and the human race. It was just then, since Megatron was winning the battle. And if I remember correctly Optimus wanted to Sam to kill him with the Allspark. That truely is a noble sacrifice. RotF, DotM; The Fallen, Sentinel; they were defeated but still online. The Fallen is one thing attempting to retreat after his face is removed. Sentinel was going no where, and attempting to go no where. He didn't need to kill him.
Here is the exact dialogue Cybertron being sucked into a black hole... Megs: Nooo, (throw SP body on the ground) we need a truce, all I want is to be back in charge, besides, who would you be without me, Prime? Prime: Time to find out... Megs: Arrrrrrrghhhh then complete OWNAGE
Lol some truce. Look, we can be on the same team again, only you're my bitch. C'mon what's not to love? lol That all would have had so much more impact if they'd actually ever EXPLAINED that megs and op fought together directly under SP's command as that fun prequel comic did. Ultimately the comics and books are almost required to fully appreciate what you're viewing. Same as the SW prequels, there's just so much mythology and sheer data to cover that its next to impossible to cover everything and not have every movie be LOTR's long.
Sounds more like Megatron wants the power he once had as he ruled with Optimus. It can easily be interpreted as wanting his position back, not necessarily making Optimus his bitch. If anything the position was lost when he started the war.
Ya i think this prime had a bit of a brutal side....... But like alot of other people have said....... It's war!! Kill or be killed. Fight to the end for your side. I don't think of him as a fallen hero or a dar kkilling machine. I think of him as a hero who has had enough of this. His mentor betrayed him, killed his best friend, and tried to destroy earth........... And megatron betrayed his "brother" tried to take over cybertron, killed millions, broke one of his soldier's vocie box, and tried to destroy the planet multiple times and even tried to kill his partner because carly told him he was gonna be betrayed so he decided to take his business to optimus to try and rule then take prime out, and the fallen in rotf deserved what was coming for killing the primes, using the pyramids to try and destroy earth's sun, and got megatron to kill optimus. So really they ALL got what was coming to them.
Again, I say it's not the fact that he DID these things, just the way they were carried out is all. A little over the top, "any last words!?" Type deal that didn't need to be in there. That's all I'm saying. Too over the top. I realize it's not a cartoon. I realize it's a war, and it's brutal. It still was too over the top for Prime, IMO.
I was 10 when Transformers came out and Optimus Prime was my first and strongest example of honor and doing the right thing which has stayed with me as I am now 37. I've never seen Optimus as a blood thirsty, killing machine of a warrior. He is a warrior who fought, wounded and killed because of necessity not of hatred. So when I heard him say, "We will kill them all!" and then given the deaths at the end it very much disturbed me. I hope when they reboot the series in a few years they spend more time undertanding the characters, particularly Prime, and bring out the best qualities.
I thought Optimus was awesome. In all the movies. Hes a badass with zero tolerance for decpticons. Nothing wrong with that I say. And as far a violent deaths... geeze I dont even know what to say to that, what would you rather have the deaths be like? I honestly dont realy understand this one. Also he still seems to have the same values, this just isnt a cartoon, its a live action movie trying to be realistic. I highly doubt in real life Prime would constantly give the cons a chance to retreat over and over. And hell yeah to the "we'll kill them all line"! And I dont think it was purly out of hate and blood thrist. Let me ask, did the decpticons, in the least bit, seem like they would go down with out an insane fight? I dont think so.
In the movieverse I believe prime was a warrior more so than a leader. Yes he was the chosen one, the one all autobots looked to to end this war. When in the heat of battle its not like you're trying to be gracious while killing, you have to be the warrior the "killer". Ddo what it takes to survive and come out victorious. Kill or be killed I guess. Its more like real life emotions, which the cartoon incarnations seemed to lack to a certain extent. Movie prime was pissed. he saw many of his friends lifes go by at the hands of megatron. Many years of pent up ager and rage for the decepticons. After many countless battles prime just wanted an end at any means.!
