Yeah, peoples expectations of The Batman were way too high, but while were discussing, I felt they went a little overboard on the Villains. From what I remember: The Joker is really crazy, maybe too crazy it that is possible. Mr Freeze was one of my favorite characters in TAS because he wasn't your typical street thug; he was a doctor that did what he did for his dead/dying wife. In THE BATMAN, it was a typical 'Hey I got powers, lets break stuff!) Bane- to early The penguin- like the characterization, but what the hell is with the fighting. There is no way that he should be able to kick the crap out of Batman. Your thoughts?
Eh its kinda hit or miss with me. I honestly don't watch it enough to get a good perception. I've probably only seen like 4 or 5 episodes total.However, the little that I have seen has been kinda cool. Yeah, The Joker is funky looking, but it matches how nuts the character is. I thought the Batman/Dracula stuff was cool and darker than expected. And I liked the episode that had Bane(not crazy on his look though) and it kinda reminded me a bit from Knightfall(with Bats getting his ass handed to him by Bane) and actually a bit from DKR (with the powered suit). Will it top Timm's Batman cartoon? Probably not. However I think it does have enough going for it to stand on its own. And in terms on Teen Titans(just due to its inclusion in discussion) its also hit or miss with me in terms of presentation. I always liked the more darker episodes that don't really screw around with the "manga" type stuff that other episodes usually include. Basically I like the more straightforward episodes that don't include a lot of extranious BS.
Sometimes that really works for the show. The episode where Batman went inside the Joker's mind was great. I agree, that change they made to Freeze made great story material. That's why the comics adopted it. Sort of. Watch his origin episode again and try thinking of it this way: instead of using Freeze's background to give Freeze more depth, they use it to give Batman/Bruce more depth. Too early for what? On the one hand, I agree... on the other, damn do they make it look cool, and it's not a super serious cartoon to start with. Villains who can't fight don't work out well in this show. Just look at Clue Master.
On Bane, The events surrounding Knightfall were life altering for Bruce Wayne and the events that lead up the eventual outcome were what allowed Bane to 'brake' Batman. To add him to the Rouges Gallery that is Batman’s Villains in his career is too early for me. The Bruce in this Batman is still young and dealing with becoming a super hero, Bane should enter later on, when there is more for him to lose. To drawn a parallel, I would be like doomsday appearing in an episode of smallville. Side note the ep when Joker become Bane joker was really enjoyable.
This show isn't even trying to be anything like that though. It keeps just barely enough depth to avoid being a complete fluff-fest, and then focuses all of its resources on action and style. That's all it's trying to be, and it does it damn well. It's not the epic story of Batman, it's the action cartoon of Batman kicking tons of ass. Smallville is more of a drama, so the comparison isn't quite right. Funny as hell
I don't disagree, but still felt they should have left Bane out of it. Given the circumstances they could have developed a similar character W/O calling him Bane. Perhaps a precursor to the real Bane. Correct me if I am wrong, but the current Bane could turn the juice on and off right? Perhaps they should have some street punk/ex football player O/D on the juice and then work it in to the story line later on. I will chalk it up to being a different story line.
Character-wise, the new Mr. Freeze definitely falls short of the BTAS version, but from a design standpoint, his was the only redesign that worked for me. The icicle-head is a nice touch, this version of the character won't be stopped by a thermos of soup to the noggin anytime soon
My 2 cents I've seen a few episodes of The Batman. And honestly it's a pretty decent show.I really should keep track of what days Teletoon airs it. Sometimes I do think the fighting moves pulled off are a bit to stylized.Like with the He-Man animated series And honestly why do we need to compare The Batman to Batman: The Animated Series? The Batman is clearly it's own show like Batman:TAS is it's own show If you watch the show on it's own merits then you'll enjoy it more
Because they're BOTH cartoons about BATMAN! And as far as merits, it doesn't have many. The Batman takes the "world's greatest detective" persona of Batman and tosses it out for the sake of action... kung fu PENGUIN, anyone?... Still, I enjoyed it... until Batgirl... she's even more annoying than Tim Drake... and unlike Drake, she's YET to redeem herself... What was wrong with the opening theme? Was it so bad that they had to replace it with a WORSE intro... that reminded you of the "Adam West" Batman? (SHUT UP, West fans! He sucked!!!) And I LIKED the "icy" Batmobile... they had to screw that up too! ... I hurt inside... I miss the old Ethan Bennett... tragic turn of events, but it was a pretty good arc.
Overall I'd have to say it was a letdown. I picked up the First season (for .51 cents) and watched the special features. At first they did talk about TAS and how they couldn't just copy that formula, I can understand that and figured I should give the show a chance. When they got to the Penguin and how he was in a way an Anti Bruce Wayne, someone who was born into a high class family but lost it all and now resents Wayne for his fortune, I was starting to get more interested in the show. But when they said "We just figure we give him kick ass martial arts abilities because that would be cool" that killed it for me. Seriously watch all the special features on "The Batman" DVD's and that's there reasoning for almost everything, we did it because we thought it would be cool. Face it, after the incredibly deep stories in TAS (many of which were carried without even a major villian or even Batman is some cases) it is impossible to accept anything less.
Well yeah. You can tell that just from the way the show is executed. The result? It's pretty cool No it's not. Oh I've had steak! Good steak! I can never eat cheeseburgers again! It's impossible! C'mon, you're missing out on a really good cheeseburger here. Take it for what it is.
Edit: I've seen them. (The way I had this worded before might be rude, so I changed it. I just didn't like the implication that if I can enjoy The Batman I must not have seen TAS at its best and took minor offense) What you don't seem to get is that this isn't the same animal. It's a different philosophy of action cartoons entirely. It has a completely different aim. You have to take it on its own terms, and if you'd do that you'd see it's very good at what it tries to do. You can't judge it based on what it's not even trying to do in the first place. It is not trying to tell a serious story! It's trying to entertain you for half an hour by showing you Batman! Kicking ass! With style! BAM! ...and that's what it does. It does so quite well, and there's some fun dialogue and character interaction along the way. If TAS was an exploration, then The Batman is a ride.
Never cared for the newer Batman designs. at whover said Rasta Joker, yeah that design sucks. My favorite Batman toon has got to be the ones that were aired in the early 90's. Where it had the classic themestyle going on.
I've seen the entire first season, and snippets of later episodes, as well as all of the DCAU Batman... ...and The Batman is really kind of eh. The first season was a somewhat painful ride towards the notably good Clayface two-parter. However, thanks to their appearing in damn near every episode, I'm -utterly sick- of The's Penguin and Joker. I actually don't mind the Joker redesign, but he and Penguin feel like dead air, to me. And Freeze...I'm sorry, but that was a titanic dropped ball. Even if they were trying to step away from the establishedly kickass DCAU version, I just dislike the fact that I'm not given much reason to give a damn about the guy. And really, that's The Batman's hugest flaw, to me. Most of the recurring villains function as static adversaries, and not much more. I don't find myself caring very much about them beyond "Funny line, and I hope Batman beats them up!" Different strokes for different folks and all, but The Batman feels to me like an overall step -backwards- from both B:TAS and Batman Begins.
it's not made for me either, just because i watch it does not mean a show has to be made for me. but i am not complaining when the stories or animation, is a bit kiddish. because that's the point!
Wrong, bad analogy morelike I've a really GOOD steak cooked to perfection and I can now never cheap Sizzler rubbery nasty steaks again, It is IMPOSSIBLE. That's the analogy and it's true.
