2D Artwork: Transformers: Prime

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  1. SaberPrime

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    And here we have Fallen Prime. The only character not to have a modern day counterpart because he's the only character to be resurrected in the modern day. Fallen Prime was created by Primus and corrupted by Unicron.

    Standard Fallen is the black and red one. I just thought he looked good that way. Shattered Glass Fallen is the White and Blue one. I recolored his crown to match Starscream's crown.
     
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    yeah dont assume that beacuse an artist made a tutorial that all their back catalouge is free to use for your own works... ever. I know some artists that will kick up a stink over it. And as an artist who has had people trace their work its not really something I found fun to deal with (FYI their excuse was to claim that they thought it was offical artwork.. it still does not fly)

    As for copyright your still in the wrong by just doing this with out asking. While Hasbro owns the IP (interlectual property) the artist still has his/her own copyright. in a nut shell (I've cut it down to just what applys here) a fan artist cant reproduce their art for profit as its in brech of the IP holders copyright and like wise Hasbro cant use fanart (unless theirs some sort of contract in place between Hasbro and the artist). A fan artist copying an other fan artist is breching the original artist copyright even if no money can be made.

    As for contacting him he has a DA page just send him a note.
     
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    I don't really understand half of anything you just said. As far as I know anything short of actually posting the original unedited images and claiming them as my own is still fair use and I don't know what a DA page is.

    Of course the original work is based on Nick's work but these guys here all took me in total, a year to finish. They might look simple and believe me when I started I thought it would be easy enough to make these guys in less than a month but no. Unicron and Primus were the easiest ones in the bunch.

    All of the modern day characters actually used Masterpiece Optimus Prime as their base. Optimus Prime himself was the hardest to edit into a Cybertronian vehicle. I actually took my real one and tried to figure out how it might transform. His grill replacement is based on the back of the grill on the toy, I made that piece from scratch. The crotch remold is actually his butt on the toy, again, I made that bit from scratch. The arms were simple remolds. And the tires on his legs I made from scratch.

    Ultra Magnus, his head, chest, and shoulders, all made from scratch.

    Hot Rod, I only made his spoiler.

    Vector Prime was almost entirely mine. His chest and legs are the same except for the chest detail and hip details which I made from scratch along with his head and arms.

    Primal Prime, the chest detail I made from Scratch. The head I just remolded.

    Sentinel Prime's scoop I made from scratch. His head used a base from Nick and took ALLOT of remolding from me to make it look like animated Sentinel Prime. I didn't even have to repaint it, it was already in the colors, I just added and took away parts from it. It was originally a Smokescreen head.

    Megatron's head, arms and torso were actually based on an entirely different sprite artist named brocklock.

    Starscream and Bombshell only have about 5% of their original base body parts in the arms. The rest of it was made entirely from scratch.

    Soundwave, shoulders, lower arms, and wings were all made from scratch.

    Tarantulas, head, chest, shoulder, and Spider legs, all made from scratch.

    Tripredacus, had ALLOT of parts made from scratch. Seaclamp's arms and chest. Cicadacon's bug legs, bug head, and wings. The combined mode head, the tiny arms in his chest, the rhino head. All made from Scratch. And believe me I tried to resize allot of that stuff but resizing causes details to be lost so I had to make new ones at that size in order to match the detailing.

    Sideways literally has nothing left of Nick's work except elbow joints and some of the original chest showing threw the chest detail I made.

    All the Fallen repaints I had to actually recolor him completely for every color I used so I was working on Fallen repaints for a couple weeks before I could even make one. Then I had to make the body and glow effects as separate files and add occupancy to them just to make sure they would look OK. I probably wouldn't of had to go to that extreme if it wasn't for the color blindness. These guys are kinda hard to recolor the glow when I don't have a color pallet to work off of. By color pallet I mean I was literally working off the RBG values. I can't see the colors too well but I can see numbers. ;)  If I don't have an RBG value to copy off of to get my color matches then I have to guess what the colors are.

    BTW Why are they called sprites?
     
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    They're called sprites because they resemble computer game sprites.

    And even if it's not illegal or anything to use Nick's stuff, it's still not cool to use them without his permission or to not even give him credit.
     
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    Some interesting coloration ideas. Execution on some of them could be a little better, but overall not bad. The glowing on the original Fallen sprite worked perfectly for it's design, and seems to work nicely for some of your repaints, but there are definitely some where it doesn't look right.

    Out of curiosity, what program are you using?

    This. No matter what the legality of the situation is, using someone else's work without giving them proper credit, or even checking with them first, is just not right.
     
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    Could you elaborate a little more on which ones you thought were better than others. There are defiantly some I like more than others myself but I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

    Programs actually. Some of them are easy enough to do in paint. Others I have to use Adobe Photo Shop to get their RBG values and do other more complicated things like occupancies. All of the Fallen Repaints also used Adobe Animation.

    As for the whole crediting thing, I did 90% of the work on these things and they were free to use from my understanding so not only is it not illegal but it is totally fair. Besides even if it was not cool you'd be equally in the wrong for failing to acknowledge that not all of it is based on Nicks work even after I give you lengthy details of how it was all put together. I posted the name of the guy who inspired Megatron right before this and you're still only crediting Nick for it.

    Plus you guys came down on me about the credit thing before I had even finished posting. How do you know I wasn't intending on crediting my inspiration for the style when I was finished posting? You never even gave me a chance to give him credit.

    The only reason I decided to post these now is because.

    1. My desk top isn't working so I had free time.

    2. I've been wanting to post them online for a while.

    3. I was hopping Nick would see them and starting making more. He hasn't updated his site in forever and I wanted him to know there were still fans of his work waiting for more sprites. This message would have been posted right after Fallen Prime but you guys jumped the gun on the whole credit thing. Take a freaking chill pill guys.
     
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    So, I didn't want to start a new topic or post in someone elses topic so I'll just post them here. I decided to do my own variants of the SG Animated characters. I only have these 4 right now. I'm going to try to post new ones here every weekend in no particular order.

    First off we have Blitzwing faces. I did other versions of this remolding Blitzwings faces into a different character a few years ago. He was ment to be Dreadwing so I thought I'd use that to create this. Anger Face I simply changed to red because that's the color that normally represents anger. His default face I made gray to make him look more like Megatron. I always thought his default face looked like the Damaged Megatron head, they even have the same monocle. Crazy face I kept the SG standard of red eyes turn blue but the mouth I had to make yellow and the face orange because he looks like a jack-o-lantern. I'll have a full body version of him done hopefully by next weekend. Just for the heck of it, I included my original drawing of Blitzwing's and Dreadwing's faces.

    For Perceptor I took a look at the Scalpel toy which seems to be mostly white and black with some blue detailing. (at least I think it's blue) Perceptor had some white and black parts already so I just went ahead and changed the red to blue.

    For Sari I took a look at Alice hence changing her hair color to blond. Unlike Sari Alice doesn't always wear the same outfit so rather than changing her cloths based on Alice I just turned her clothing and hair color around. I'll have an adult Sari at a later date, don't ask when.

    Hot Shot is based on the color changes between Armada Hot Shot and Powerlinks Hot Shot neither of which have blue on them so I didn't bother to recolor the blue parts.
     
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    Just because you think it is OK, that makes it OK? I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. It's not fair and he does hold the copyright on the work, so there could potentially be a legal issue.

    But you BUILT on top of Nick's work, right? A lot of them you say you only did a few things. You took his work, without his permission, and altered it, and then didn't credit him until someone pointed out that it wasn't your original work.

    Well, credit should be the first thing you do. And you have to understand, art theft is a BIG ISSUE. There are a lot of people who do a LOT of things they assume is OK. I've seen people's drawings get put on tshirts without permission. I've had people color my work without my permission. Even if they credit me, they still took my work and altered it without checking with me first. That's just bad form.

    If that was your goal, state that right away. You would have avoided all this by opening with that. And don't get all pissy because it looked like you were copying someone's work without crediting them. Like I said, art theft is a BIG DEAL and we don't like seeing other artists taken advantage (even if that isn't the intention).
     
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    Yeah, I ALTERED it. Key word there, ALTERED. I did the work and according to my understanding of the legal area that falls under the "fair use", there's no copy right claim to fair use fan works. I would of credited him regardless of weather anyone pointed it out after I was done posting all of them. I don't really see that as a requirement though as I did the work on these, more of a special thanks for giving me the inspiration to do them.

    I understand about half that. I first learned about copy right about 12 years ago. At the time the way it was explained to me is that if I create something then someone else can't take my work and claim they did it. Key word there is my work, however if someone else were to create their own work based on my idea that would still be legal.

    That's why as fans of Transformers we're able to make fan art and fiction even though we don't own the copy rights. It's all fair use, we did the work. As long as we're not making money off it and not claiming we own rights to the original work, it's legal.

    Though it seems the money part really isn't an issue anymore sense often times even when money isn't being made off the work people still in trouble for this stuff.

    Anyway, the point is, the laws don't make a whole lot of sense to me anymore. I do things according to my understanding of the law and the way I see it, I did the work, it may be based on Nick's work but it is my work. I didn't post any of the unaltered images I used to create mine and claim them as my own so there shouldn't be an issue. As far as my understanding of the law goes this still qualifies as fair use. I didn't steal anything. It's no different than Nick himself creating his work based on a franchise he doesn't own.

    Again, I didn't copy anything. I altered. If I wanted to steal his work I wouldn't bother recoloring Unicron, Primus, or Fallen. There's allready perfectly good images made of them but I wanted my own versions of them so I did recolors.

    BTW just so you know, I have actually been the victim in the past not getting credit for my work so I wouldn't do that to someone else. Do some research, I'm on YouTube.

    YouTube - Dial M for Murder

    I haven't updated that video sense I put it up but I'll tell you that I still have not received credit on their web site and I was fired over this one complaint. There are so many other things I could find to complain about but never did till after this happen. I worked there for 6 years and yes if you look at my subscription list I'm actually subscribed to the theater's youtube page. I could sue the theater for credit and payment issues but my problem is with a single director who runs the theater and suing would only serve to hurt several people I would still call my friends who work at the theater. That's the only reason I haven't taken him to court.
     
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    OK to let you know in advance, hopefully by next weekend I'll be posting the following Animated SG repaints.

    Optimus Prime (Without Face Plate)

    Wasp (A fan favorite seems to be to reverse the Autobot and Decepticon colors on guys like this but I can't tell them apart due to the color blindness so I'm doing him as one repaint rather than two.)

    Wheeljack

    Beachcomber

    Blitzwing (Full Body)

    I'll post these 5 all at the same time. I have Optimus done already and a basic idea for Blitzwing but I have no idea what to do for the other 3 yet. (And yes I'm going to use knock off colors for Blitzwing)
     
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    If you were intending to give him credit, than you should have done so in the first post of this thread.

    Doesn't matter, you're still using someone elses work as a starting point. It also doesn't matter that some are more altered than others, you're still using someone elses work without giving proper credit. Illegal or not, it's still a bit of a slap in the face.

    Lets put it this way, say you had an original piece of fan art that you created all on your own. You're proud of yourself, and the work you've done gets positive feedback. Later down the road you notice that someone has taken your piece of work, altered it in some way (doesn't matter to what extent), and doesn't in any way shape or form mention that the original was yours. How do you honestly feel?
     
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    Actually, I had a long winded post up but that's obviously having no effect, 4 pages of this. I'm going to make this simple.

    If Nick, brocklock, or an Admin of this site ask me to remove the images, I will. They are the only ones who legal authority to do so.

    As for the rest of you who are acting as self apposed lawyers, I'm going to ask you to stop. You're boarding on harassment and I have a right to report you to the admins if this continues. You're derailing the topic, I've put up with it so far but there's only maybe 2 comments about the work I did, no comments about the last 4 images I put up, and that just isn't right.

    Get back on topic or get a harassment report, your choice.
     
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    First, Optimus Prime is based on the normal SG Optimus Prime. His face was a lighter blue than the rest of his body so it turned grey rather than black. I had some trouble figuring out his to crack his windshield and not sure it really registers but there are cracks there. I'll have another version with his face plate and AX at a later date.

    Wasp is based on a comment made by Scott McNeil while speaking in Waspinator's voice about Wasp in reference to his new voice actor Tom Kenny. "Wazpinator no live in pineapple under the sea." I'll have Waspinator in his technorganic mode at a later date.

    Wheeljack is based on what I think of as name mix up in the Unicron Trilligy sense Wheeljack doesn't look anything like his name sake and Downshift does. I used G1 Downshift for reference.

    Beachcomber I couldn't really think of a color scheme for so I decided to invert the colors and see what came out of it. The only thing I had to fix myself was the purple Autobot logo. I think this color scheme actually fits him better than the real one. He still has some of his original blue but the rest of him looks like a sandy beach color to me.

    Blitzwing is based on a knock off version of himself. I found it by accident once looking up other SG Characters and oddly when actually looking for Blitzwing I couldn't find it again. I did eventually find the toy image but still have found the other variant of this recolor. :p  Anyway, I don't think the other version of it added in the design details from the toy like I did. I had a hard time with the "power" logos in the legs, the star on his cockpit, and the flames and triangles on his chest. I think the end result came out fairly well.

    Next weekend will be Blackarachnia, Nanosec, and Slomo.
     
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    SG Blackarachnia is loosely based on the coloring of Elita One with some changes. I used a little less yellow and tried to add a yellow tint to some of the Black parts that would normally be yellow but I think they look green. Again, I'm color blind so I don't know if I managed to match the green parts exactly to Elita One's character model. Anyway, I choose not to color in the black parts and just add a colored tint because her name is BLACKarachnia and I felt she needed to be a little darker than her Elita One coloring.

    Nanosec, probably the first human character to be made in the SG universe. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not aware of any other humans getting the shattered glass treatment.) He's loosely based on The Flash which is why he has Red in place of his normal black costume. Now I can't actually see where the rest of his costume is any different but I changed the color values to make the yellow and the light gray areas of his costume. I really like how this turned out. SG Nanosec is a superhero allied with the Decepticons.

    Slow-Mo kind of reminds me of a black and white film character so that's all I really did except for her watch that I colored in the hands on because I could barely see them in her normal coloring and not at all in black and white mode. SG Slow-Mo is a super hero allied with the Decepticons. All other characters are still colored around her but her own costume and hide out are colorless. Even the outside of the building is black and white making her an open target for Autobots if she didn't use her control of time to keep rewinding her hide out every time the Autobots destroy it. ;) 

    Next weekend I'll have Elita One and Waspinator though sense I've done both of them already you can probably guess that Elita One will have Blackarachnia's colors and Waspinator will be based on Spongebob again. :)  I think we should call him Waspbob Stingerpants.
     
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    As much as I love SG... I like it more when people stick with how the universe works. Maybe try recoloring pics of toy's that can be repurposed into characters, instead of using other peoples work.. and at very least ask. I have a recoloring of Blitz's work, for a character I created... the difference is I ASKED permission first, THEN did the recolor.. Most artist will be cool with it if you just ask.
     
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    This time I'm not even using another fan's work. The original images are all promotional art an screen caps from the show not fan art. Using the art from the show would be absolutely no different than using the toys as you suggested.
     
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    No one is asking you to remove your artwork, however, if you can provide proper credit to an artist's work, then you should provide it whenever possible. If you're using production work from Hasbro, simply state that and move on. If anyone has questions/concerns about this issue, please pm me. Otherwise, the topic needs to be redirected towards the artwork itself.
     
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    Thank you. I had stated this a while ago but it's nice to get a Mod to back me up. :) 

    And anyone who needed to be created has been already.

    Though I just realized that the person specifically mentioned Blitzwing which I wander if he was referring to the boxed faces (not the screen cap faces) a few years back that I posted on here. Though I don't need to credit anyone else for that because I did the originals. If someone else did similar work to the box faces I wasn't even aware of that and it's possible they stole it from me because the picture were posted on my Seibertron.com account for a while.
     
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    he's not really backing you up. if anything he's pointing out what others have posted before and that's to give credit ideally in the same post as said artwork not a few pages after once people call you out.

    but back on topic part of SG's charm was the guessing game of who's got who's colours or what are they a homage to so while I dig Slo-mo wheel jack kinda falls flat with me
     
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    This would be correctly interpreting my post. :thumb