We also have the pesky little problem of we have only seen the war from the Autobot side. If you took say World War II and only looked at it from the view point of Axis propaganda you would think they were in the right because propaganda only shows why we are good, the other guys are bad, and we aren't going to talk about the things that make us bad.

 

IMHO the Cons arent evil. They are the military bots on Cybertron at the end of the day so they follow orders from the higher up ( Megs & SS.)

Tis their leader who has evil intent. They just obey orders coz that's what soldiers do.

 

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" vs "Peace through Tyranny"....

One of dem dudes is evil......

and Decepticons torturing Sam and trying to cut his skull open is kinda evil.....

 

Yes. They will do whatever it takes to advance their cause. Regardless of how many lives or resources are exhausted.

 

its kinda like Optimus said before "taking them all on"-Megatron would never stop. although they may seem like they have fairly good intentions, once they fulfill those, they will continue to try and do whatever they want, and claim its for the "greater good"

i still think they're evil, but they believe themselves to be good.

 

Til this day, I have no idea why this discussion comes up. The Decepticons are evil, plain and simple. Why, because the fucking people that created them (Hasbro) says they are, period. We can sit here and cite as many examples as that might hint to the contrary all day if you wish, but at the end of the day they are the bad guys, antagonists, pick your term. The original theme song and many of it's variations said, "Autobots wage their battle to destroy the EVIL forces of the Decepticons." Here's another way to look at it, sometimes evil people will perform acts that may seem pretty noble, but ultimately their goals are still evil while good people will sometimes do bad things for the sake of the greater good. There will never be a Transformers series, movie, comic, etc where the big twist at the end will be that the Decepticons were actually good all along, period.

 

Shattered Glass.

 

It's not a twist, it's the entire premise.

 

It's a twist for the first five seconds. Cliffjumper is all "good Decepticons wtf"

 

Our planet. Our rules.

And seriously, why people keep defendind Demolshier and the Decepticons?! They are bad guys period. This is not Dinobot we are talking about.

 

So the decepticons are evil, but good?

Or the decepticons are really the good guys?

That's why prime shot demolisher in the face! As he was saying his last words, prime thought demolisher would give away to much:

"Help! Prime's the real evil-"

Bang!

 

Plot twist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A plot twist is a change ("twist") in the direction or expected outcome of the plot of a film, television series, video game, novel, comic or other fictional work. It is a common practice in narration used to keep the interest of an audience, usually surprising them with a revelation. Some "twists" are foreshadowed and can thus be predicted by many viewers/readers, whereas others are a complete shock.

Again it's not a plot twist as it is used to set up the entire premise of Shattered Glass.

 

Oh poo, you've ruined my jocular aside with facts.

 

Largley because the sole reason NEST goes after Demolisher and Sideways is because the are Decepticons, not because of any known or overt malicious intent on thier part. While it is true Demolisher came out with that line about the Fallen, has it occured to anyone he was just being, you know, spiteful?

There's enough ambiguity in regards to those two for me to not be so sure as to whether killing them was really the only option. As for Megatron and the Fallen, evil plain and tall the pair of them.

 

I doubt an anti-robot task force would have been called in if Demolishor and Sideways were peacefully coexisting and staying hidden.

 

When you have a hate passion for humans as they do, yeah, somewhat evil.

 

In my opinion, yes they are evil. Instead of trying to save their race in a civil way, they'd rather kill humans and any Autobots that get in the way. This quote for instance(and I know it's not exact)-

Megs: "The survival of our race isn't worth one human life?"

Optimus: "You'll never stop at one!"


Now, in the case of Demolisher and Sideways, although it looks like they were doing nothing when they were attacked, I think we(as the audience) were meant to assume that they had been doing something bad. Otherwise what would cause NEST to go look there in the first place?

Anyway, I'm pro completely evil Decpticons, I love them that way. Do they have a few good intentions? Yes, but they don't care about what others will have to sacrifice for them to achieve their goal.

 

no army in the world could've taken out the Cons.. that was pure BS. period.

 

I'd say they're not evil, they just don't share the same views on life.

I mean they were going to destroy Earth's sun and kill all Earth's life in the process. Is that evil? Yeah but it comes down to more animal survival sense. Why are they doing it? To take something they need to survive.... but then again not really. They do need it but they are also doing it for revenge on humanity.

Truth is though, they're already lacking energy to create new life so chances are they don't have the energy to search all over the place for a new planet and can't build a new Sun Harvester.

I don't know how much Megatron cares. The Fallen didn't seem to care but Starscream did seem to care a lot. Also in the RoS, he wasn't intentionally killing humans either. So long as they stayed out of his way, he wouldn't kill them... though that might just be because he was lacking energy and had a lot on his mind.

However, Bonecrusher hates everything so...

 

Yeeaah... I'm not seeing any confusion on what the Decepticons really are. Their heartless bastards (or Evil) plain and simple. Megatron started the war on Cybertron, because he wanted complete control over the planet and the AllSpark. His status as High Lord Protecter made him power hungry; it corrupted him and naturally, he found transformers that saw things his way and with the aid of The Fallen (the original Decepticon), who obviously started Megatron down the path that would make him the character he is in the movieverse, recreated the Decepticon faction, plunging the planet into Civil War with those who fought against them (The Autobots).

They were never in hiding trying to peacefully co-exsist with humans in Shanghai, China (or anywhere else for that matter) they were hunting for the AllSpark, the very thing that would ressurect Megatronm and raising an army off-planet on The Nemesis. The trouble was that they and the hatchlings were in need of Energon; The other reason they were search for the AllSpark fragment(s) before discovering its information had been transferred to Sam, thus the ROTF begins proper. NEST would've not entered China unless the Decepticons did something to tip them off to their presence on that continent.

According to a description on Wikipedia.org: "Demolishor is cowardly when there's no leader, and he isn't the brightest one, but he's powerful enough to fight with multiple foes. He can use his excavator mode's tracks as wheels to travel and attack by moving one over his head to crush everything in front of him." In Other words, Demolishor simply panicked when he realized that he'd been found out and saw that he was being surrounded by NEST. He wasn't lounging about, "peacfully co-exsisting" with the surrounding envrionment. For all intents and purposes, he could've been guarding Sideways, who was lying dormant nearby before he was spotted, as there's a good chance he caused whatever trouble that led the Anti-Decpeticon unit into China.

And as for Sideways? "He is a simple courier who avoids combat and hides behind his larger Decepticons." I.E., he's straight-up and down coward, who lets his stronger Decepticon Comrades, who in this case are just as cowardly, do all the work for him.