this. I don't think character development for the constructicons would be necessary but it would have been nice to see them "merge for the kill" after being cornered by the autobots.

Also, since the relationship between Sam & Mikaela is central to the plot, they could have kept the Alice character but cut the pretender part. She could have been a friend of Leo somehow and tried to seduce Sam testing his loyalty to Mikaela.This way, we could have kept the fun Bee moment where he slimes Alice  

 

Theres nothing to be fixed

 

This just in: ROTF is perfect.

 

Man, you have to start from SCRATCH!!!!. The story would be going along well, then the crudest most annoying humor will just hit you in the face for like five minutes and you forget about the main plot. But the plot itself was all over the place. Was not coherent. It's like the writers just wrote this in one day. Amateur, pathetic, lazy, rubbish are the words that come to mind when I think of the "plot" of this movie. The ONLY thing that saved this movie were the robots. There were a FEW good lines, a FEW. But the voice actors and ILM were the only saving graces (again) for this movie.

 

Scrap it and start over from scratch. The first movie's flaws were fixable, this movie is just a mess.

 

kinda like your script, except less wanky

 

A lot less.

 

Ha. At least the script I wrote in THREE days had a cohesive story that had a beginning, middle and an end. This was just a mess for Bay to show off random robots, random rubbish comedy and pointless explosions. If you accept this movie, then I feel sorry for you people who dare to call yourselves fans.

 

I agree with what was said earlier... there's a big difference between plot and execution, and I don't think the plot of the movie, necessarily, needed all that much tweaking. The basic ideas: The Allspark has imprinted on Sam, it contains the location of a source of Energon, the Decepticons need it to bring their new army to life, and also need to kill Prime to assure the Fallen's survival. They take out Prime, and Sam and a smaller Autobot team must find the Matrix before the Decepticons. Honestly, that's a pretty decent Transformers plot. Now the details... that's where RotF did have some issues.

First of all... there's enough going on you could make the case it would've been better served going over two movies. End with the cliffhanger that the Autobots are separated, with Sam on the run and Prime apparently dead, and the 'Cons poised to take over the Earth. This would give the other Autobot team more to do, as well. What if, rather than leaving Prime's body, the 'Cons took it as a trophy, and an Autobot strike team(and wouldn't this be a good place for characters like Mirage, Hound, etc.) need to get it back.

Either way, that's one of the film's issues. Rather than giving the NEST team something to do while Sam and his crew try to find the Matrix, they're... fighting off bureaucracy. We tend to see the Autobots under mesh nets and parked in vehicle mode, and Lennox and Epps just answer phones and look angry a lot of the time. Something in the plot, be it recovering Prime's body or otherwise, needed to be there for them.

Secondly, there could have been some time used on backstory. Everything with the Decepticons is rushed. Megatron's revival seems like it takes only a few seconds, he knows just where to go and, apparently, the Fallen's been waiting for him this entire time. An easy fix would be that Megs was about to kill Starscream, but he reveals that he's found the Fallen, who needs his apprentice to now kill Optimus Prime. Likewise, where did the hatchlings come from, when the Allspark was destroyed? You can connect the dots, so to speak, and see where the new 'Cons in the movie are drones, compared to movie 1's more individual characters. But that should've been explained. That goes double with a character who looks a lot like Blackout shows up without much of an explanation.

The biggest problem is, none of the Autobots really had a character arc in this film, and it hurt. Bumblebee was the loyal friend through and through. The Twins were comic relief. You knew Jetfire was a good guy from the moment he showed up. No one really changed. What if Bumblebee showed a little more resentment toward being abandoned? Or the Twins had to have a moment of "growing up" in some way? Or Jetfire didn't switch sides until that critical moment at the end of the film? The first movie gets a little leeway in this regard, because it's not certain if the audience will accept the giant robots as characters. But if the "awwws" in the theatre at 'Bee didn't tip anyone off... they do. If Bumblebee had been angry at Sam, was then forced to help him at the end and didn't acknowledge him too much, THEN came out and saved his parents from Rampage and Ravage? The audience would be much happier.

Honestly, I loved the movie. It was a fun popcorn movie. But I can also admit the film has tons of room to improve. It's entirely possible to make a movie that's good entertainment but can deliver a moving story along with good action, and you can also make a good story aimed at kids that can affect adults as well.

 

Its hard to believe that the guys who wrote Star Trek wrote this movie. I'm starting to think that maybe the reason Star Trek worked so well was because J.J. Abrams was behind it, and therfor put alot more work into it to make sure it was good. Like, maybe the script wasn't all that amazing, but with some J.J. polish - it worked like a charm. Or they were trying to impress J.J., but Michael Bay - who gives a crap.

Or, that guy that came into to re-write ROTF might be responsible. I know it was his idea to add the balls on Devastator. Who knows what other gay crap he threw in there for "comic relief". And Michael Bay loves that junk because he's immature and tries to appeal to the lowest intelligence (see Friday the 13th remake).

Those are just theories, but still, one of the things that always annoyed me about these movies is how they write the script for a generic robot character, and then once the movie is done they try and figure out who to put in that spot. That's why all the characters are interchangable; they were never woven into the story from the beginning. I said once before, but they are Michael Bay's "props", not actual characters. It's pretty obvious but they should of looked at the show, looked at the comic, and found the character traits of everybody and worked them into the plot that way. "Ok, Iron Hide is more of a veteran, so why don't we have him come up with a way to stop Devastator using his knowledge?" Things like that. That's how they did it in freakin' Star Wars. Everybody was tied into the plot, even Boba Fett, hence why they are so memorable. You can tell the guys writing these movies really aren't fans, they treat the characters like they were Ewoks.

I was rewatching the show, and I noticed they really went out of their way to introduce characters and to say their names so the viewers would remember them. "Sideswipe, we need to go rescue Spike" or "Uh oh, here come the Dinobots" *cut to shot of Dinobots*. We were able to put names with the faces, unlike these movies where half the time we don't know who anybody is. We know cuz we did research, but I cant expect the typical moviegoer to know since we were never introduced in the actual film. Was it really so hard for Soundwave to say "Ravage, go find the allspark fragment" before he fired him onto the planet? At least the damn audience would know he was called Ravage, not just "cat robot".

 

the story was not cohesive, it was a series of words poorly strung together in a failed attempt to make a point

nono, we feel sorry for you who cannot like anything, and feel that somehow makes you superior.

 

Three days? I seem to recall waiting months for that 'script' with the promise that it was nearing completion.