Well argued, but I would say the writers had to know Juliet's name choice would evoke an idea in the viewers minds of her character and inevitible purpose in the show. It could be that I am reading too deeply into it, but it also is very possible that she was destined to be a tragic figure from the very beginning, and that's all the writers wanted us to take from it when introduced to her. As for the character's selfishness, isn't that who they've been from the very first episode? Kate's always been about herself (her motivation for taking in Aaron at the beginning was more than just looking after him and we know this), Jack's about being a better man than his father, Locke's always been about his destiny, etc. I think the most intriguing Lostie in the episode and this season by far is Sayid. He's got a very Dr. Faustus-like feel to him now that will make his fate much more meaningful than anybody else's.
Edit: DP I think I disagree with my earlier thoughts on the cabin and smoke monster now. Actually, I think I was totally wrong. Who was it that broke the ashes, I forget?
Yeah I know, but it just really surprised me how Juliet turned an entire sub around to save people, indicating her selflessness, and then in the small fit of jealousy, abandoned it. I know the main concept would be to prevent it all from happening (because if the Losties never crashed then, they never went back in time and nuked the Island), but it was jealousy that turned her from a selfless hero to an accomplice to murdering hundreds of people, including Rose and Barney. And I agree that those characters were always about themselves, but I had noticed gradual changes throughout the seasons, and then at the last minute, people were ready to pull a trigger for a girl or a boy.
Ok. I don't want to argue for the sake of arguing. I understand your theory, and perhaps it would make more sense to me at least with further clarification in Season 6, but if Farraday's comments are the only qualifier for Juliet actually changing history, I just don't think it was done all that well. Of course these writers have been totally unpredictable as of late, so who knows if anything we say isn't going to be blown out of the water in the next episode.
So, the man with Jacob back in the day somehow takes the form of Locke when Locke's body returns to the island. Then, when he reunites with Jacob, Ben in tow, Jacob tells him he finally found his loophole, and this man says Jacob wouldn't believe what he had to go through to do it. Could this man be the very first person ever to set events in place to create the D.I. and everything else just so he could find this loophole? Is that what he went through? Does this further the thought that Richard was on the Blackrock? The statue is holding the symbols for male and female right? Is it possible that the detonation of the bomb mixed with the energy sent all in the wrong timeline back to the present but everything else went along in time? Like when Desmond turned the key way back when. He didn't die though it looked like he should have. This show is wild. Just when everyone thinks we're going to get all the answers, the show gets even deeper. I like that the writers didn't dumb it down for the sake of those that wanted total clarity. I think they can tie it all up in 17 hours, and I'm jacked to see it all unfold.
I think Richard being from the Black Rock is plausible. I also found it amusing that Ben was played the exact same way that he plays everyone else. Hilarity.
Not exactly. Jacob's name in Hebrew actually means "heel catcher" or "supplanter", one who steps in and takes the place of another. According to the scripture, he was so named because he grabbed the heel of Esau his twin brother as they were being born. Later in his life, he "supplanted" Esau's birthright and position as the firstborn, due to Esau's voluntary disregard for it and his countinuously unfaithful behavior. Later, through the actions of his mother Rebekah, his father Isaac WAS tricked into giving Jacob an additional blessing, solidifying the mistake Esau had made in selling his birthright. Not sure what the parallels are for the show, but it seems the writers are very selective about things like this, so who knows.
Instead of the bible you guys should be looking into egyptian mythology. I believe the dude with Jacob is called Esau. I think he is the smoke monster/Christain Shepard/new Locke/resurected Ben's daughter. I also think that Esau is a tool of Anubis and Jacob may be a tool of Horus. Unless Jacob actually *is* Horus, and Esau could be Seth whom was the god of the desert, storms, darkness, and chaos, which actually kind of describes the BSM. It would appear that Horus and Seth have been battling for quite some time. Set (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I love that the writers threw in the 'injured hand'. Miles' dad could have injured his hand whether the Suriviors were there with or not. Remember the other scientist doesn't want to stop drilling and the drill eventually malfunctions and can not be shut off in time which causes everything metal to go flying down the shaft anyway.
Why does Bernard ask Juliet if she wants tea when Sawyer and Kate go running off ahead. Could it be that he knows what Juliet is about to do? Maybe since Bernard and Rose have been living peacefully away from society (like Jacob and fake Locke) for 3 years they are more in touch with the island?
It's holding ankh's, which is the symbols of eternal life or the "key of life" in Egyptian mythology. A guy who's lived hundred of years at the feet of an Egyptian statue holding a pair of ankhs, ruins with Egyptian hieroglyphs, and Jacob's tapestry which seems to have a group of people worshiping the sun. Pretty interesting..
I think he knew something was gonna happen to her And was I the only one that had a tear in their eye when Juliet was holding onto Sawyer's hand ?
From last night's episode it is clear that the statue was of Sobek. And here is an interesting quote from the wikipedia article on Sobek: I'm really starting to think Jacob is Horus and anti-Jacob/fake Locke is Seth/Set.
So why did Chang warn that trying to use the Swan's computer to contact the outside world could lead to another incident. If what happened in the finale last night was the incident then using a computer didn't cause anything and if anything the outside people that showed up (the losties) actually stopped the incident from escalating further by setting the bomb off. So maybe they did change something. It takes a significant action to make a small change in the timeline. It's just not the change that Jack is expecting since Jacob has been manipulating them for decades.
One of the great mysteries of Lost that remains to be resolved is the whole purpose of the Dharma Initiative as we discovered it in seasons 2 and 3.
I think the fact that they said to not use the computer to contact the outside world was meant to scare the person in the hatch to only use the computer to enter in the numbers, and to keep them in the hatch. If they contact someone then they would tried to get a replacement for them, so they can leave. There was an online game about a couple of years ago that went into detail about who Dharma was, who funded it, and what it was for. I hope they explain part of it next season, but its a good chance they wont. It's all about Hanso, the Degroots, and some math dude named Valenzeti.
Dead people running around. That is one thing that has been a question in Lost. I think we got the answer last night. And a look into what smoke monster is. "Esau" needed Locke to die, in order to take his form. We also think the smoke monster was taking the form of dead people. What if it was really "Esau" that took the form of those dead people. And the smoke monster works for him? There have been times a dead person appeared, then once they disappeared, smokey would show up. They probably work together. But smokey is also tied to the ruins, as Ben was able to summon it before. This is were things go another direction. If smokey is Esau, and we keep in mind, Ben summoned smokey, what if Jacob tricked Esau into being chained to the island, and resulting in his grudge to kill him. This would explain why he was looking for a loophole of sorts. He can't just go and kill him. Something was set down, like a magic spell or something, and only through a loop hole, can Esau have Jacob killed and free himself.
I think it was an all-right finale. It wasn't that great as last season's. Though this finale answered some questions, Season 6 will have a lot more to cover than I intially thought. The last three seasons involved people sacraficing themselves to achievie something of their respective season. (Charlie, Michael, and Juliet) So, I guess this guy is the Big Bad of Lost http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob's_enemy Pity he has to be posing as the show's arguably best character who is confirmied to be dead.
