We've got 40 or more robots in the film and we've seen very few of them so far in either toy form or in the teaser trailer. Just because we haven't seen someone yet doesn't mean they can't be in it.

 

I want to know this as well.

And I'm not trying to take sides either but.......

that alone is proof of nothing.....every tf toyline is filled with figures that dont make it to the shows.

Again not proof

Still not proof he's in the movie

That might be proof....if its him.

But dont forget that trailers are well known for having fiootage that never makes it to film.

So far?????

 

I'm still curious why Bottom Out seems so determined to convince everyone that The Fallen will not be in the film. And also what he will say if/when he is proven wrong.

I've seen plenty of times where something is leaked on here, and just as Joe said, people always try and prove it false, only for it to be spot on accurate. TFW is damned credible when it comes to this kind of information. Just because we haven't had a toy or concept art image of the Fallen leaked YET doesn't mean anything.

 

Damn skippy, well said

 

Just because there is a toy doesn't mean Megatron will be in the movie. There are plenty of examples of toys in the movie toy line already that aren't in the first film. Leaked art doesn't exactly confirm or deny an appearance in the film either. Arcee for example had quite a bit of art done in designing her for the first film and was even a toy but obviously she wasn't in the first film. And the hand we see in the trailer is hardly enough proof either. We don't see enough to say with absolute certainty that it is Megatron.

Given the title of the film, it's logical to assume the poster is of The Fallen. And if they're going to put The Fallen on a movie poster, we can infer that he will be in the movie.

 

as people have said-

the fallen poster is labeled as "fallen" just as the optimus poser is labeled as "optimus".

megatron's appearance on the bumblebee and sam package is a CG shot. a CG shot that is of the same quality as the rest of the movie models. it's using a CG model that took tens of thousands of dollars to make. just so they can use it on one box. yeah.

we've also got tons of leaks that talk about both characters. one person mentioned sam getting pinned down LIKE WE SAW IN THE TEASER. do you remember whose claws they said were pinning him down? I sure do. MEGATRON.

I don't even have to bring up all the spoiler-tastic leaks that talk about the fallen, his location on earth, and his history here.

If the fallen and megatron aren't in the movie, I will staple my hand to my face.

again.

If you don't believe in something strongly enough to staple your hand to your face if you're wrong, I'd say that you don't actually believe in it at all.

 

"The Crystal Jungle" is an apt description of Die Hard? Really?

Anyways, we don't know The Fallen's backstory. How do we know he isn't returning from somewhere? Yes, he's not literally returning from the first movie itself, but there's less literal ways that something or someone can return. Using that logic, the title of Return of the Jedi doesn't make sense because the only Jedi we've seen up to that point aren't the ones "returning"... they're still dead. It's the existence of Jedi period that is returning, not necessarily specific characters from earlier in the series.

And foreign translations are wonky and tricky anyway. As has been pointed out, they don't always translate in ways that make sense. It could be something as simple as that the person doing the translating didn't know that The Fallen is supposed to be singular.

Um, they explained the history of the war between the Autobots and the Decepticons in less than five minutes in the first movie. why couldn't they explain the backstory of one character in the sequel?

I've seen you make this argument a number of times back before I joined and was just lurking, and I always thought it was kind of weird. How can there not be enough time in an entire film to introduce a character? If this were the case, how could any character be properly introduced in any movie ever? I mean, we don't even know The Fallen's backstory (if he's in it), why are you so sure it would be some tale so impossibly convoluted that they somehow couldn't fit it into a feature length film?

There are supposedly over 40 robots in the movie, presumably at least half of which must be Decepticons, and we've seen in robot mode... what, three of them? It does somewhat resemble Megatron's hand, but it could just as easily be any other hand.
Assuming that it is Megatron is no less of a stretch than assuming that a heretofore unseen robot on a poster labelled 'Fallen' (in conjunction with posters featuring Prime and Jetfire that are lablled 'Prime' and "Jetfire'), for the movie 'Revenge of the Fallen', which is heavily rumored from sources involved in its production to contain a character named 'The Fallen'... just may be The Fallen.

I will concede that at this point there is no 100% conclusive evidence that The Fallen is in the movie, but it does seem to be a fairly safe bet. You seem to be just as convinced that The Fallen is not in the movie, but you've had to adapt each new development to fit your theory. I recall when you were convinced that the face on the ROTF packaging was just random shapes. Once it was clear that the it matched the face on the poster, you had to declare that the face "could be anyone". What about the fact that it's labelled 'Fallen'? The only thing you can really say is that that isn't 100% proof, which it isn't, but it's pretty damn close.
And it's no less of an assumption than a lot of other things people have no problem accepting. Do we actually have 100% proof Devastator is in the movie? Or Arcee? Or even Soundwave?

 

bottom out... you are funny.  

 

we have no proof that optimus prime is in the movie, all there is is just toy packaging with his name on, those shots in the trailer could be of anyone!!!

 

The guy's known for being a smokescreen, isn't he?  

 

The German title was renamed to "the Revenge".

 

Want the answer? Do you reaaaaaaaaaly want it ?

Just watch the movie when its out lol.

These few days ever since the trailer came out, threads like these have been popping out 'Who is the fallen, is megatron there?" etc.

 

QFT, the movie hasn't even come out yet. And people like the OP are already trying to suck the fun out of seeing it.

The Fallen's either in the movie, or not in the movie. Who cares? As long as the movie's good and watchable, the main villain could be a giant Care Bear. But to demand 'proof' of him being in it is just fracking ridiculous, really.

 

 

This.

 

I'd chosen to ignore that post, lest I thought about too much and my nose started bleeding.

 

 

My favourite point he's made is 'that could be The Fallen, but he won't be in the film'. I know, lets make a film for the marvel character, Spider Man and in all the film posters, toy packaging, websites and promotion material, we'll put a picture of Spider man. However, in the whole entire film, Spider Man will not appear. Ever. Of course, given then very ambigous title, it could be about a spider the size of a man or a half man, half spider. Oh and a number of the cast and people with access to the plot have all said spider man are in it, but obviously, they've all misquoted exactly the same thing. Similtaneous. By accident. Coincidence eh?

Does that sound stupid and idiotic to you? Cos its the same thing your suggesting.

 

Wow the way this thread is going the Fallen might as well be somthing that just fell outta my ass!

 

that face is the true face of Devastator, there I said it

 

Yes, because the combined constructicon face appears like a egyption pharoah with glowing red eyes </sarcasm>